Open Thread Dec. 11: The Women Are Coming for Trump

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Denying reality is trending, as the kidz say. Republicans have been doing it for decades, but lots of Democrats are giving them competition. Consider this essay by Sean McElwee, who declares “the Democratic Party is fine,” and argues it is “the most united American party in modern political history.” Given that his head shot makes him look about 12 years old, his idea of “history” might not match ours.

I skipped a link yesterday to a major New York Times piece on Trump, because I didn’t think anyone would be surprised to learn he watches four hours of cable news every morning. But naturally the Shit Gibbon had to strike back in a way that would intimidate any small third-grader.

Nikki Haley must be ready to leave her position as UN ambassador, because yesterday she said Donald Trump’s sexual-harassment accusers “should be heard,” which means they should be allowed to accuse the Shitwipe-in-Chief of crimes. Buh-bye, Nikki.

Even worse for President Stinky Fingers is the news that three of his accusers appeared on Megyn Kelly’s show on NBC at 9 a.m. before holding a 10:30 a.m. news conference to air their allegations and call for an investigation. That’s important because the “Today” audience isn’t exactly full of news junkies. Glad to see that some of the enemies Trump made on the campaign trail still have it in for him.

Closeted self-loather Lindsay Graham has given up his Trump criticism, showing he’s as craven as the rest of his GOP colleagues (Jeff Flake excluded) who bent the knee to keep their jobs.

Oh, and here’s the story nobody pays attention to because of all the old, shriveled penises on display: California Gov. Jerry Brown was on “60 Minutes” to point out that his state went from heavy debt to a booming economy by raising taxes on the rich.

Speaking of that, Alabama’s special election is tomorrow, and the polls are all over the place. Almost everyone agrees the result will hinge on African-American turnout, and many outlets are reporting a lack of enthusiasm for Doug Jones, a Democrat who makes Delaware Democrats look like Eugene Debs. So get your bets down early.

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  1. Alby says:

    Former Minnesota Gov. Arne Carlson, a Republican, caused a stir in the state yesterday when he posted on his blog that he was “deeply troubled by the resignation of Al Franken and the complete absence of anything resembling due process.”

    Exactly. And the Virtue Signaling Brigade has no answer for that one. Unless you consider that nonsense that Dana Garrett posted — “it’s a waste of time” — the considered answer of someone who’s given the matter serious thought.

  2. Dave says:

    “The Women Are Coming for Trump”

    If only Gillibrand (The Red Queen) would be as vociferous about Trump as she was about Franken (and it bears repeating that it was a staged photo that drew first blood).

    Anyway, if Moore wins or loses it won’t be by much since he has the Xtians in his corner.

    Re: “Xtians.” I’ve decided that since the evangelicals have taken Christ out Christian, I would go ahead and make it formal for them. So it’s Xtians from now on. That doesn’t necessarily pertain to all (Pope Francis for example) but it certainly describes the evangelicals to a T.

  3. Joe Cass says:

    Is anyone else going to FCC in D.C. on Thursday?

  4. Alby says:

    @Dave: I have been saying for years we should put the X back in Xmas.

  5. Dana Garrett says:

    That nonsense by Dana Garrett was vouchsafed by an admission of wrongdoing by Al Franken. He APOLOGIZED. I know he remembered it “differently.” But not so differently that it resulted in a outright denial and no felt need for an apology. Of course, you failed to include that the “due process” of the Ethics Committee usually takes on average three years to complete. That’s the average, verified on the news today by someone who claimed to know it for a fact. Not that we didn’t know it was about that long anyhow. But all that mattered to you Alby is that Franken is a non corporatist Democrat. Sorry, it doesn’t take riding a high horse to think that women shouldn’t be subject to sexual harassment even by non corporatist Democrats. That’s elementary morality and it’s only complicated to you. But I share the disappointment. I liked Franken and I think he would have made an excellent president. But he did something disgusting. He knows he did and ultimately that’s why he resigned. The notion that he was forced to resign is poppycock. He wouldn’t have resigned if he KNEW that an ethics committee finding would vindicate him eventually. He resigned because he has a conscience, one that overruled his political expediency. Good for him. There’s something to be said for valuing uncomplicated moral outcomes over political expediency. It brings something like justice to victims, assuming you think that’s valuable.

  6. Alby says:

    “He wouldn’t have resigned if he KNEW that an ethics committee finding would vindicate him eventually.”

    You clearly didn’t listen to his speech. And you’re clearly wrong about the photo, which is all you told me you based your opinion on.

    Many of the ethics committee’s complaints involve very minor matters. Tim Scott says Roy Moore will go before the ethics committee as soon as he is seated. Do you think it will take three years? The only reason for the rush is the Alabama election. As he had called for the investigation himself, it would not have taken three years. It’s just a lame fig leaf for vigilante justice.

    “It brings something like justice to victims, assuming you think that’s valuable.”

    No, I don’t. Sorry. Virtue signaling isn’t my thing. Important to you, though, obviously.

    The Democratic Party has decided it will win by catering to women. That leaves me out, which is fine by me.

  7. Dana Garrett says:

    Yeah, that “Black hole” that is the Senate Ethics Committee has the reputation for a place where cases go to die. It’s really been swift with the Menendez case, hasn’t it? I encourage people following this thread to read up on the Senate Ethics Committee. It routinely dismisses cases where the behavior in question preceded the Senator’s election to the Senate. Not that Al Franken made that calculation when he volunteered himself to go through their process. Lol.

    I’m not “clearly wrong” about about the photo. How is that clear? Because the great Alby replied Franken must have meant it as a joke been because he posed for the photo? Is that it? Let’s see. A man thinks posing as if he’s sexually assaulting a sleeping woman is funny and even has the cheek to have it photographed is unlikely to sexually harrass a woman in private? So that’s your position, Alby? That’s just stupid and counterintuitive.

  8. Alby says:

    Yes, Dana, he meant it as a joke because he posed for the photo. The “joke,” such as it is, is that under his hands are two ceramic plates. He couldn’t feel her breasts through those even if he wanted to.

    Your tender sensibilities are not my problem; your ease with dismissing the call for due process shows that you’re more interested in the outrage than “justice.”

    Your whole wing of the party is impressed only by how much outrage one expresses at this. I’m not outraged at all, and I’m not going to pretend to be just to impress your lot.

    Funny you should mention Menendez. I notice there were no calls for him to resign. Why? Because so many of them perform the same sort of “constituent services” he did, I suspect. His behavior outrages me more than any number of men behaving badly short of rape. And yes, like the law, I consider there to be a big difference between grabbing a woman’s ass and rape.

    What’s your gripe, anyway? I’ve left the party, so you’re free to purify it.

  9. Delawarelefty says:

    If I understand Christian mythology, the only explanation for Xtains (conservative evangelicals) failure to follow the teachings of the Christman is their preference for the anti- Christ. Damn, the myth may have that right!

  10. Alby says:

    @Dana: I don’t mean to sound like as much of a dick as I”m sounding like. I just don’t like people, even my allies, telling me what my priorities should be, and I can’t pretend to be outraged by these stories about Franken. Truth be told, I”m not even as outraged by Moore as I am by Trump. Moore seemed to be acting in concert with his twisted religious views. Trump is just a predator and rapist.

    Anyway, I apologize for being such a dick. But only to you.

  11. Alby says:

    Trump attacked Kirsten Gillibrand, of course, and critics are complaining that he “called her a whore.” Not this tired old complaint again. Yes, male politicians can be “whores” too, as the term is being used to describe someone who sells a vote, not her body.

    The WaPo story did, however, give me another reason to dislike her:

    “Gillibrand was attending a bipartisan Bible study Tuesday morning when Trump’s tweet landed”

    I don’t vote for people who go to Bible study.

  12. Ben says:

    I think she jumped too early on the “he must resign” bandwagon. We all know Al Franken was the sacrificial pig, but you have to let that shit simmer. It would also have been a lot more convincing coming from a real democrat like Warren or Sanders.

  13. Alby says:

    “Sacrificial pig.” Good one.

  14. GeoBum says:

    Re: Christ out of Christmas, that is Xmas.
    Actually no, which can be kind of its own inside joke. Sort of like getting a dog to chase its own tail. But from Wikipedia: “The “X” comes from the Greek letter Chi, which is the first letter of the Greek word Χριστός, which in English is “Christ”.[1] The “-mas” part is from the Latin-derived Old English word for Mass.[2]” There’s more to it and this tradition goes wayyyy back.
    So strictly speaking, Xmas is not taking the “Christ” out of Christmas (or Christians vis-a-vis “Xtians”). But it can be fun to do so, just to wind up the outrage machine for the lulz ;-P

    Edit: Yes, I know that usage changes over the years. I guess the point is, there is no need for outrage over Xmas. But if it gives those folks a reason to pull the “But we’re the persecuted ones!” lever to get their dopamine fix, I guess that’s worth something. :)

  15. Alby says:

    @GeoBum: I’ve been using that joke a long time, but it has renewed value in a country that gets its shorts in a knot over Jeebus. Who, if he ever existed, wasn’t born at Christmas anyway.

  16. Dave says:

    ” So strictly speaking, Xmas is not taking the “Christ” out of Christmas…”

    True, and the origin really should not be greek :) to the Xtians, but since they are of such low intelligence (or intellectual inquisitiveness), might as well use it to trigger them.

    And yeah, he wasn’t born at Christmas, but there is a Christmas because he was born. Not that it means all that much. But speaking of which, I very much connect with the phrase “Peace of Earth and Good Will Towards Men.” I use this time to renew my hope, but it’s getting more and more difficult.

  17. Alby says:

    I find tinsel distracting.