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Probably everyone that comes to Delaware Liberal has read The News Journal at some point of their lives. They might not be a subscriber right now, but they are running a new sale that is quite good: $19.99 for one year. Just passing this along. Once again this was not an ad, just a community alert.
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Is this an ad?
Feels like an ad to me.
I didn’t get any money, did you? If so, can you share?
But…what about a free subscription? C’mon, Nemski, ‘fess up.
You can read any article for free by using a private browser or incognito window. I used to pay, but the quality has dropped and no longer worth paying for.
All you get is temporary access to the content until they decide to submerge it in the archives. If 19.99 included access to the archives, it might be worth it. But the archives require a separate steeper subscription.
Old chicken v egg quandary. Which way round? Did people stop paying because the quality dropped or did the quality drop because people stop paying?
@RE Vanella, I would go with the latter.
I find it funny that people are quibbling about $20.
Nemski – I agree. Moreover I was going to make the same point re: the paltry fee but I didn’t want to seem adversarial today.
Corporate and internet “news” that is sensational enough to attract adverts is still free. Some of it has been proven to be of dubious origins, possibly “fake.”
It comes back to another old axiom. You truly do get what you pay for.
It’s worth $20. 21 dollars? That may be another story (that the modern-day News Journal invariably will not write).
BTW, I’m a subscriber. Just once, I’d like to get more for my money than I did the previous year.
El Som – I agree with that too. My wife and I get a physical paper and online access. I am very critical of the reporting they do and I voice it on a regular basis and in person to the reporters I know. They listen to me because we’re in it together.
They still do go to work everyday and try to do decent local journalism. The idea that that isn’t worth $20 for the year is really misguided in my view.
I used to deliver the morning paper when I was 10. I envied the guys that did the evening addition.
Can you imagine, the NJ used to have two papers that went out each day.
It was actually called The Evening Journal.
Here’s an idea. If contributors want to come up with some sort of contest or game or lottery or giveaway I’ll donate 5 subscriptions under this $19.99 deal.
Guess the next DL contributor to leave and go to that other site?
Perhaps before your time, DV, they used to be two separate papers, with separate staffs. Before that, they were four separate papers, two in the morning, two in the afternoon. Of course, that was back in the days when newspapers were virtually the only mass advertising medium.
Consolidation is inevitable in capitalism, which tends toward monopolistic efficiency. Why publish two competing newspapers, with two full newsrooms, presses, etc., when you can cut your costs in half by doing it with one? They were all covering the same news — why do you need more than one?
Even at $1 a day for the physical product, TNJ is barely breaking even because of how much it costs to print and deliver the product. Even if 50,000 people signed up at $20, the $1 million in revenue would only be about the same as what the county government spends per year on legal advertising.
The price of the subscription is almost beside the point; the point is subscribers. Online you’re selling eyeballs to advertisers; you can charge more money based on more page views. The newspaper operates on the same principle, but still must produce a physical product — that press at Creekwood won’t pay for itself with job printing.
As a product, newspapers face the same market forces that are killing department stores, bundled cable providers and the like: People aren’t willing to pay for the A-to-Z upkeep when they only want the letter B. Online readership unbundled the newspaper.
They also have those legacy costs of production dragging them down — along with, one hardly has to add, the costs of supporting an umbrella corporate structure that adds plenty of costs and, basically, no value.
So, in short, neither the chicken nor the egg applies here. The problem is that people went vegan.
@DV: You?
@DV – Good one. How’s Blue Delaware panning out, anyway? I won’t go there out of respect for their safe space.
@anonymous – also good. The idea of Donviti contributing there is very funny to me. It’s like sending Milo Y to Oberlin.
4 wow, yes before my time. Sounds like that was when Jesus rode dinosaurs
@anonymous – shiiiittttt lol
@REV: I, too, have avoided it lest the atmosphere be tainted with testosterone. I figure they left to get away from me anyway.
Here’s my question for the women’s marchers, and I’ll be asking them about it in person Jan. 21 — if the Republicans suddenly decided to cave in on women’s reproductive rights and gave feminists full control of their own bodies, would you still be marching against Trump? Is that really the only issue on which you oppose him?
Atomized resistance is ineffective resistance.
@DV: Yes, the real newspaper competition ended in 1919, when Alfred I. sold out to Pierre, though the two staffs remained separate until Gannett bought the papers in 1978.
They have never been good newspapers. Here’s an archived Columbia Journalism Review article from 1964, right after the papers demoted Creed Black as editor, prompting his resignation:
http://www.cjr.org/fiftieth_anniversary/case_history_wilmingtons_indep.php
That piece by Ben Bagdikian is absolutely must-reading for anybody who wants to understand what this state was like–and what a paper controlled by the ruling elite was like.
Bagdikian became the first Ombudsman for the Washington Post–essentially the reader’s champion at the paper. Even that concept was bastardized in Wilmington with the creation of the role of Public Editor–essentially the house apologist/typo czar.
Anonymous – isn’t it more than that for women? Equal pay, policies that really support families, healthcare that isn’t gender-priced. Also the right to not get grabbed by the genitals.
@LG: Maybe it is. I’ll find out. But many of the women in my life are about control of their own bodies first and foremost, and none of them says they’re marching to protest anything but that. Nobody is wearing a vagina hat for equal pay.
Given that those priorities were just rejected by the electorate, what would be the point of protesting over it? Those are policy questions — except for the “right not to be grabbed by the genitals,” which was, is and apparently will remain against the law, even under Jeff Sessions.
I’m not marching against Trump over policy. That’s my point. If the protests are over specific policies, they will be ineffective. The rejection of this election must be total.
I signed up for that deal early last year. Every morning and afternoon I’d get an email listing the “top” stories. Some days they would repeat the previous days or evening email. Then, all of a sudden they stopped coming. I called and complained. I was told to log into my account and make sure my prefs were set correctly. For some unknown reason, they were not. I fixed them and the emails restarted. Lasted for two weeks before they stopped again. Come to think about it, I don’t really miss the Nj.
Yeah, they’ve never gotten all the glitches out of that system.
I’m a subscriber, but I still have to answer one of those annoying pop-up multiple choice questions to get access. Every. Single. Time.
@anonymous
If you would like to know, ASK WOMEN not the male dominated DE Liberal.
On the topic of the NJ, please support our local journalists. Support journalists period.
@Susan: Then why didn’t you answer the question? Frankly, I’ve been told I’m not an ally of certain women, in which case I return the favor. Abortion rights have been moved to the bottom of my list of concerns. I’m tired of manning the barricades for 47% of white women.
You also might want to work on your reading comprehension. I’ll be in DC Jan. 21, as I said, and I intend to ask this of my fellow marchers.
Because if that’s not all they’re marching for, then why are they saying that’s all they’re marching for?
“please support our local journalists. ”
🙂
@puck: I’d suggest you contribute to Delaware Public Media.
https://donate.firstgiving.com/secure/donate/9d045cc8-2023-11e0-a279-4061860da51d?parentPath=http://www.wdde.org/
@anonymous I agree, reproductive rights is at the bottom of my list as well.
Del Lib is male-dominated and that doesn’t bother me. What follows is my not-policy-specific and very general answer to anonymous and then my rant, and neither helps my, our problem: we talk much and act little.
Yes, I would and will march regardless of his stand on abortion rights because I reject what he will encourage and make more acceptable: greed, callousness, racism, sexism, arrogance, bullying, lying, churlish and self-serving behavior. I’ll march because I want our congresspeople to see that voters care and are paying attention. He lacks empathy. I am convinced Trump will make America uglier by his ugly influence.
He uses the media to distract us from watching the important issues he’s influencing. What he says shouldn’t be believed as his stated beliefs about the same issue differ day to day–his lip service is a diversionary tactic. Social and print media will continue enabling him to be Master Attention-Diverter. Smoke and mirrors magicianship–he’s an expert. Watch the shiny object.
Maybe we’re already as ugly as he is and he’ll just make it politically correct to show it. Regardless of the cause of our downward path, downward shall we go UNLESS WE ACT. (‘ trying to motivate myself here)
I am the worst offender in talking about what’s wrong but doing nothing to make it better. This march is really a first step. My excuse for inaction is that I’m not informed well enough to take a defensible position, and that excuse is true. It takes time to become and stay informed and there’s a plethora to choose from, so News Junkies, if you state 2 or 3 sources you regularly read/listen to/watch for mostly unbiased, trusthworthy, objective reporting of the actions of our elected officials, I’ll give them a try. The Intercept I read–which writers there do you trust the most? I watch France 24 for easy listening, and the times I’ve tried Empty Wheel the mind wandered.
@anonymous, you weren’t asking me, you were asking DL which is predominantly male. If you had asked a female, you would know that pussy hats are a take back of the term. Hats knitted to appear as cat ears, another term for pussy which has been made derogatory by society. It does not only reflect reproductive rights but equality of all individuals.
There is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension. Just because you are “marching” doesn’t mean you are fully supporting equality. Proof being your lack of asking the question before the march. The march, if you had become a part of a group prior, you would know is much bigger than reproductive rights.
I just worry that Trump’s interpretation will be “thousands of women came to Washington to see me, beautiful women, terrific women, who care very much about America, they’re literally throwing themselves at me…there were pussies everywhere, it was a very, very beautiful day…”
Here’s the platform for the Women’s March.
Here are some excerpts:
It’s an ambitious and inclusive platform. It speaks of racial justice – and citing BLM by name tells you they aren’t dancing away from or sugar coating their positions in “comfortable” language. It includes immigrant and refugee rights, strengthening labor unions, the right to clean air/water and protecting our environment, and much more.
“But many of the women in my life are about control of their own bodies first and foremost”
I’m not sure why this is viewed as a negative. Bodily autonomy seems like the most fundamental right possible.
“Frankly, I’ve been told I’m not an ally of certain women, in which case I return the favor. Abortion rights have been moved to the bottom of my list of concerns. I’m tired of manning the barricades for 47% of white women.”
Following this logic… if a black or brown person said you weren’t an ally then you would move Civil Rights to the bottom of your list? Does your support of issues, you say you support, depend on how you’re personally treated?
Thanks, Pandora. I was a wit’s end on how to even address @anonymous’ off-the-wall stance that the March was just about reproductive rights.
Your welcome, Nemski. This group had a bumpy, disorganized start, but their goals were never solely about abortion/reproductive rights. I’m not sure where that idea came from, but if it exists… we/they need to better inform people.
Shameless plug – I just put up a post detailing the march’s platform.
Everyone will bring their own reasons. It’s all good. In the end it’s all about total body count.
As the legislative agenda progresses there will be plenty of time for a “Citizens March on Washington.”
Elaine wrote:
“I am the worst offender in talking about what’s wrong but doing nothing to make it better. This march is really a first step. My excuse for inaction is that I’m not informed well enough to take a defensible position, and that excuse is true.”
A lot of people feel that way. One great thing about joining with lots of other people is that you can learn something from each and every one.
Besides, you’re informed plenty well enough. Because you know that you need to do something. Don’t be intimidated by glibness. Just do what you feel is right. Right now, it’s all we have.
Pandora: Have you no shame? Excellent post, BTW.
@pandora,
I had thought about posting what is readily available on the internet or possibly my own feminist agenda but then I had a few thoughts.
Why am I time and time again explaining myself or women’s issues to men?
What is wrong with women putting themselves first by fighting for physical, mental, and spiritual control of their person? After all, how can one effectively advocate for others when they don’t feel they have agency of themselves? I applaud anonymous’ women friends. Snatch that pussy back, after all it is yours. My hopes is once they feel they accomplished that goal they will expand to others.
Not a single complaint on that list has anything to do with the current situation. Not a single thing on that list is about Trump — it’s all about the Republican platform. We just ran against that and lost.
I’m marching against Trump. Too bad none of you seem to get it. This isn’t about issues. This is about a government takeover by someone intent on using the government not in the name of the people but for himself.
This is my point. This isn’t about your rights. This is about a fascist movement taking over the government.
You people are going to be run over like possums in the road.
BTW, by “moving to the bottom of the list” I meant that some of my donations to Planned Parenthood are going to be redirected. And yes, it has everything to do with women putting their goals ahead of mine, so I’m returning the favor.
@Susan: You don’t have to explain the issues to me. I know them well. But just like the sensitive Democrats who left, I don’t have time to worry about people whose goals differ from mine.