Carper Joined Chris Murphy’s Successful Filibuster – Coons MIA
Delaware’s Tom Carper joined 39 Dem Senators in supporting Chris Murphy’s filibuster to force a vote on closing the terror gap and gun show loophole.
Sen. Chris Murphy, a Democrat from Connecticut, said that a compromise had been reached. Votes would be held on whether to ban people on the government’s terrorist watch list from obtaining gun licenses and whether to expand background checks to gun shows and internet sales, he added.
“We did not have that commitment when we started today,” Murphy said.
Here is the list of filibuster supporters via Washington Monthly:
Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL), Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ), Joe Manchin (D-WV), Sen. Bill Nelson (D-FL), Sen. Ben Cardin (D-MD), Sen. Ed Markey (D-MA), Sen. Pat Leahy (D-VT), Sen. Pat Toomey (R-PA), Sen. Al Franken (D-MN), Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA), Sen. Gary Peters (D-MI), Sen. Bob Casey (D-PA), Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR), Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-OR), Sen. Bob Menendez (D- NJ), Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH), Sen Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO), Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA), Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN), Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH), Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI), Tom Carper (D-DE), Tammy Baldwin (D-WI), Tom Udall (D-NM), Michael Bennet (D-CO), Mazie Hirono (D-HI), Martin Heinrich (D-NM), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI), Joe Donnelly (R-IN), Angus King (I-ME), Maria Cantrell, Tim Kaine (D-PA)
Thank you Senator Chris Murphy D-Connecticut , Corey Booker and the additional 37 Dem Senators including our own Senator Tom Carper enough already! It should have been enough with the Children of Newtown or one of their own Gabby Gifford the
list goes on. The Republicans that are in the POCKETS of the NRA should be charged as ENABLERS!!!!!!!
I agree that some sort of action is well overdue. A positive rating from the NRA should be a black mark that identifies any candidate as wholly unfit for office.
Pat Toomey? Man, I bet the GOP conference probably now treats him like a Slytherin treats a Gryffindor (dumb comparison, but I just pre-ordered the latest Harry Potter book)…
So I notice there’s a democrat filibuster going on against the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution. And they’ve missed a private briefing by the FBI director on the Orlando Jihadist massacre. And one of the leaders of said filibuster is Cory Booker. Look closely boys and girls, there’s a Cory Booker Concubine/Cuckold running for Wilmington Mayor.
Democrats don’t give a shit about your rights any more than the Repubs…..
Donald Trump has also reaffirmed his support for denying rights based on secret lists that disproportionately affect Muslims. And all you progressives praise all of it.
Doe the terrorist watch list have any transparency, judicial oversight or appeals process?
Just having a list is rather arbitrary is it not?
The internet today: if you’re on the no-fly list, NO GUNS FOR YOU!
Me: How does one end up on the no-fly list?
Internet: I don’t know
Me: How does one get off that list if they’re on it in error?
Internet: I don’t know
Me: Until you know, STFU.
Go home internet, you’re drunk.
Me: How much do I love the “Nothing works, so fuck it…guns for everyone!!, otherwise tyranny.” critique?
Me: So much.
It’s a big step to go from having an arbitrary list to try and connect the dots to taking peoples rights away is it not?
I don’t know about Lash, but I am for the concept, it’s the details that concern me.
You get on the No Fly list because the FBI (mostly) put your name on it.
You get off of it when the FBI takes your name off of it.
There is a (flawed) process for traveler redress if you have the same name as someone else on the list.
But make no mistake here, the folks who are suddenly not interested in restricting guns to the people on a No Fly list didn’t give a damn about the accuracy of this list before.
Yeah, I feel safer with just the FBI keeping the list with no oversight or redress. It seems like this would be something pretty damn easy to fix.
Or do we have to hurry up and do something, anything, FAST to make us feel all better like the patriot act?
..nor do they have passports.
SussexAnon, give me a break. “The process isn’t perfect, so fuck it..guns for everyone, otherwise tyranny” is just another flavor of the same old ruse.
Delay, delay, delay, obstruct. Either you get and are playing along it or you are witless dupe.
Passports are not guaranteed by the constitution. Neither is getting on a plane.
I am not saying fuck it. I am saying fix the fucking thing.
I would rather get it right than get another fucking piece of shit patriot act.
What is to keep you or I from being placed on the list? Do you know? I don’t. Just because we are TOLD something from the gov’t, doesn’t mean its true. Or did we find WMDs and I missed it?
There is redress.
“What is to keep you or I from being placed on the list? Do you know? I don’t. ”
Or…”It isn’t perfect, so fuck it. Guns for everyone in the meantime until a perfect system is in place, then maybe. But perfection first.”
I’d like to see some due process for getting off the list added to the “no fly, no buy” bill.
Again, Jason, no.
We can walk and chew gum at the same time.
ACLU article about the process to get off the list. They are challenging the process in court.
https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/what-do-if-you-think-youre-no-fly-list
So, you are the one honest man and I am Diogenes. You are still a tool of the NRA which is the big PR voice behind your perfection first position.
I did say that the process was flawed, but there is one, unlike your assertion otherwise.
It could certainly be better,and it is much better than when it was first implemented. Most of the people with real issues now are people who have the same name as someone on the list. That can be bypassed, even if it is a PITA.
Really? Asking for an oversight process to get off of a secret list where the gov’t doesn’t provide any evidence is a problem for you?
I am not “perfection or nothing.” I am lets get this fucking right. Right fucking now. It should be pretty god damned easy to address right now. The list exists and we know problems exist. We aren’t creating this list out of thin air. We created a list now it needs to be, dare I say, perfected.
Or we could go with a flawed list with a flawed process and promise to come back to it and never do. Like we did with the patriot act privacy bullshit. And wonder why you ended up on the no-fly list because you sat next to someone on your trip to Egypt to see the pyramids.
“It could be better”
Exactly Cassandra.
My assertion is there is no judicial oversight, or transparency (meaning the gov’t doesn’t have to provide you their evidence). The gov’t puts you on the list. To get off the list, you ask the gov’t. That’s not exactly impartial, is it?
“I am not “perfection or nothing.” I am lets get this fucking right. Right fucking now.”
With this congress? In the real world, your position amounts to perfection or nothing. I’m not interested in your fantastical dreamland.
In the real world, legislation passed in a panic has given us some pretty shitty laws. Bank bailouts, the patriot act, Iraq War. When the gov’t gets all “hurry up we gotta do something” we get a term paper that was written at 3 am the day it was due.
I’m sure the NRA values your support. In the meantime, how many more mass shootings do you endorse allowing while the perfect congress awaits the perfect bill to pass? 5, 30, 250? Pick a high number because the perfect congress is not going to pass the perfect bill anytime soon.
My question is why the only reason we should fix the list is so people can buy guns.
Here’s something the ammosexuals don’t get — I dont’ give a fuck about your right to purchase an implement of murder. Sorry, I just don’t, and I won’t ever.
I am especially tired of the “——” isn’t in the Constitution argument.
You want the government to allow people interested in armed overthrow of the government to get the weapons they would need to do the job. And no, I’m not talking about Islamic terrorists.
The real reason for the panic over the no-fly list is that the government is well aware of the fact that right-wing Americans who hate the government, not jihadis, are the most serious and organized threat to American society. They realize that one day they — the people who are on record as wanting to overthrow the government, such as the clowns in Oregon — will be labeled terrorists and have their right to own weapons taken away, just as it should be.
So yeah, fuck your Constitutional right, which isn’t the right you claim it to be anyway (individual ownership of guns). You didn’t give a fuck about my rights under the rest of the document, so — just in case you didn’t get it the first time — fuck you.
And yes, that’s not logical. But neither is the decision that the way to fight an intrusive government is by allowing ammosexuals (and terrorists) to buy more guns.
Not asking for a perfect bill.
Get that through your head Jason.
I am sure totalitarian dickbags like Trump appreciate your support in doing things on a whim.
“Where was Chris Coons?”
This is the question that was asked in the post yet it was basically ignored in the comments. I am not a TC defender but I wonder how comments would have read if he was MIA.
Oh …if TC was the absent one..? Katie, bar the door.
When the gov’t gets all “hurry up we gotta do something” we get a term paper that was written at 3 am the day it was due.
Actually, no. You get something draconian that has been in someone’s desk drawer that they haven’t been able to get enough support for. That is the exact story of the Patriot Act. If you are going to fix the No Fly list, you probably need to repeal the Patriot Act and require TSA and the FBI to create something that doesn’t let them utterly hide behind national security secrecy.
Chris Coons was probably busy pandering to the Israeli lobby.
Most of the regulars here are accustomed to the game — almost never does our all-Democratic Washington delegation vote as if this was a blue state. They take turns not giving a fuck about things Democrats are supposed to give a fuck about.
Video of Tom Carper on the filibuster.
Passports are not guaranteed by the constitution. Neither is getting on a plane.
Neither is Gun ownership