To The Left, Hillary, To The Left
I know I’ve been saying Clinton needs to be running more to the left, but when I see headlines like this from the Washington Post, I cringe, I mother-fucking cringe.
That’s not the only area [Clinton controlled by Wall Street] where the presumptive Republican nominee sounds like Sanders, who is challenging Clinton for the Democratic nomination. On a series of issues, including free trade and foreign military intervention, Trump is effectively running to the left not only of his own party but also of Clinton.
Dear Hillary, the Left is away from Wall Street, not towards.
Tags: Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton
Who the hell was Hillary listening to on her listening tour?
Haven’t you Bernie Sanders supporters learned your lesson with Washington Post headlines yet? My God…
Glad you cleared that up, DD.
Yes, nemski speaks for all of us.
Trump is an opportunist and knows he can move left without losing his existing supporters. Trump doesn’t have to worry about losing donors or endorsements because he already lost them. The Republican rank-and-file base is well and truly broken, or rather liberated from its old orthodoxies. There is potentially no limit to how far left Trump can go. Yes I know Trump flipflops and can’t/won’t keep his promises, but don’t tell me, tell the people who vote for Trump.
90% of the electorate don’t read newspapers, they get their news from biased news channels or web sites. The truth is hard to find. People read something that fits their bias and it passes for fact. Trump has figured this out, he lies but his followers believe him and don’t try to research or even think, they just believe. I think this is also true in Bernies, they have been brought up on cable news and web blogs that match their beliefs. Add a few Hollywood Twitter feeds and there you go. They don’t bother to parse the details of how any of these ideas Bernie has are going to get passed, they just believe what they have been told as the truth.
I was listening to Trump being interviewed last night. My husband and I actually (for reals!) LOL.
Donald Trump clarified Monday that he doesn’t plan to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans in the aggregate, despite seemingly saying so during interviews aired Sunday.
“On my plan they’re going down. But by the time it’s negotiated, they’ll go up,” Trump said Sunday on ABC’s “This Week.”
But Trump told CNN’s Chris Cuomo on “New Day” that he was referring to changes to “my tax proposal” — not the existing tax code — when he said rates could go up. He meant to communicate that he was open to top rates higher than those in his proposal as part of the negotiations to get tax reform passed, but also maintained they would remain lower than the current rate.
“Now, if I increase it on the wealthy, they’re still going to pay less than they pay now,” the presumptive Republican nominee said. “I’m not talking about increasing from this point. I’m talking about increasing from my tax proposal.”
That’s utter nonsense. It’s worse than Palin.
You don’t beat Trump by playing his game – just ask every GOP primary candidate how that strategy worked out.
Hillary’s plan raises taxes on the wealthy and corporations. What are you expecting her to do? Lie? Say she would tax the wealthy and corporations into oblivion. And when Trump says he’ll tax them to “infinity and beyond” he’ll still win because he’ll be further to the left of her???
wasn’t there an article where it said Hills was reaching out to Bush Donor’s? Seems progressive enough to me
it’s not hard to run to the left of Clinton, let’s be honest on this please. A corparitist war monger has plenty of open field to her left
Bush donors know if we start rounding up Muslims and Hispanics (as the GOP official platform promises), the country is screwed. We’ll be “liberated” or sanctioned into a deep recession. People who love money stand to lose as much from Trump as people who love life. This is more important than any of your personal pet issues.
“A corparitist war monger has plenty of open field to her left”
That’s hyperbole. A “third way” centrist, DLC, “tough on crime and defense” 1980’s era Democrat has plenty of open field to her left.
That is more accurate.
Bush donors realize the danger of an unstable authoritarian running the nation. Its not good for business, the economy….hell, its not good for anyone.
Even rats run from a fire.
How many votes do Bush donors have?
“How many votes do Bush donors have?”
How many votes do white men have?
I have asked this before: Show me how Trump pulls women and minorities to vote for him and I’ll start to really worry.
“Show me how Trump pulls women and minorities to vote for him and I’ll start to really worry.”
So how do you spin today’s polling news?
“Six months from Election Day, the presidential races between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump in the three most crucial states, Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, are too close to call,” said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University poll.
“At this juncture, Trump is doing better in Pennsylvania than the GOP nominees in 2008 and 2012. And the two candidates are about where their party predecessors were at this point in Ohio and Florida.”
There is some magical thinking going on. Time will tell if it is going on among the “Hillary has got this” folks or the “Hillary better watch out” people.
I do know one thing. Beyond party, or policy, voters love “authenticity” and that appears to be a big hole in the Clinton game plan.
I’m looking at that poll, puck. It includes Sanders.
“I have asked this before: Show me how Trump pulls women and minorities to vote for him and I’ll start to really worry.”
“So how do you spin today’s polling news? ”
So here’s my worry. It’s an ill defined uneasiness. I don’t know whether to believe the polls or what polls to believe. I don’t know what Trump will do or if whatever does will resonate with a large segment of likely voters. He seems to be able to flip flop, backtrack, or shift in midstream with no discernible impact or real questioning by the media or the voters. Clinton is a policy wonk, she can lead and manage but doesn’t have the charisma that emotionalizes her support. Trump is exciting and people want to be excited and become invested in the reality show. I’m uneasy about everything. I really want a landslide, I want every state, by wide margins. I don’t want to take any chances. It may be that I’m a worry wart, but I would rather be safe than sorry because in this election I am convinced that whatever can go wrong, will. That everyone here is convinced of the outcome, just makes me all the more concerned.
“Rounding up Muslims and Hispanics (as the GOP official platform promises), the country is screwed.”
What news source does this crap come from?
Dave, I have always said that anything can happen in a two person race. (Puck’s cited poll isn’t a poll of a two person race, btw). I’m just saying I don’t see how Trump wins over women and minorities – Votes he MUST win in order to win the election. If someone can show me how he does that, I’m all ears.
Trump has promised to ban all Muslims… Citizens or not… As well as deport all undocumented immigrants. The only way to be sure would be to deport every brown person who can’t provide a bc and “proof” of religion. Trump is the GoP nominee, therefor, his platform is the GOP platform.
“Show me how Trump pulls women and minorities to vote for him and I’ll start to really worry.”
Celebrity endorsements?
I don’t pretend to know what effect a famous athlete or entertainer’s endorsement has on either an individual voter or the public at large. It may well be none at all. But it seems at least possible that a sufficient critical mass of women and minorities who are in the public eye endorsing Trump could convince members of those groups that Trump’s ok and that if they like certain elements of his platform, he’s ok to vote for and not as racist/sexist as he’s made out to be. As it is, he’s already got endorsements from Latrell Sprewell, Dennis Rodman, Mike Tyson and Terrell Owens.
I’m sure the endorsement from a rapist (tyson) will go really far for him.
“Puck’s cited poll isn’t a poll of a two person race, btw”
Of course not. There’s still a primary going on. But the polling was head to head, and Sanders did a little better against Trump than Hillary. Oh well, it’s early polling.
I think that one problem is that people who like Sanders don’t equivocate — they like him, period, full stop (pandora’s complaint, that these supporters don’t know much about him, is probably true). Fewer people feel that way about Hillary — not here, but in general. But when you add in the people who have misgivings but will vote for her anyway, she’s far ahead.
Eugene Robinson wrote something interesting. See what you think of this:
“How does a policy wonk such as Clinton run against a policy-phobe such as Trump? Trying to define him as insufficiently studious, overly capricious and fundamentally unserious would be like painting a caricature of a cartoon. Maybe Clinton should focus more on delivering an inspirational message of her own. The job of refuting Trump is already being done — by Trump.”
I think this would help tremendously, and it’s part of what I mean by complaining that she’s only playing defense. Where’s the inspiring stuff?
If you’re saying Hillary has to lay out her endgame, her supporters think she already has
You left out the fact that Sanders was included in that poll and presented it as Hillary vs Trump. That wasn’t an accurate portrayal. If positions were reversed and the Dems had their nominee and the Rs didn’t I’d expect the same results – a close race.
The point is how many Sanders’ supporters (still in primary mode right now) will vote for Clinton in the general. That’s the number that matters, and that number is not reflected at this point in time or in that poll.
No, I’m not talking about an end-game; the game doesn’t end for the winner.
I’m talking about inspiring people to vote for her, instead of getting people to settle for her.
I think this whole disagreement boils down to people who are enthusiastic about a Clinton presidency vs. those who are ambivalent.
I realize that Trump as the opponent makes this an easy choice, but honestly there was nobody running on the GOP side I would feel better about. I just can’t feel triumphant about her presidency. I’m not feeling great about John Carney becoming governor, either, but I won’t vote for Bonini, even though he’s come out on the right side of a couple of issues.
The reason I don’t like the defensive posture is that, IMO, the GOP is the walking dead at this point. They can’t legislate, they can only disrupt and delay. So once she vanquishes this already-prostrate foe, she’s free to pursue any course she chooses. I’d prefer her to name that course before we embark.
Exactly correct. She has presented no evidence that she will not govern as a “Center Right, Business Friendly, DLCer” in the mode of Bill Clinton. People who are enthusiastic about Clinton clearly see something I do not see.