The Dem Nightmare Map
Donald Trump wins all the rust belt and coal belt toss-ups and toss-ups that have significantly restricted the voting rights of minorities.
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I cannot wait until I can shout in your face: “I told you so!!!” It will be so enjoyable. Because your “Sky is Falling We are all Doomed” schtick is so tiresome.
The map makes no sense. How does Clinton win Virginia but lose Pennsylvania and Ohio???????????
How does she win Nevada and Florida but lose Colorado????? It looks like you put this together only to get to 269-269. You are like Chris Cillizza now, looking for click bait. That is your new name.
Chris Cillizza.
Because Trump. Did you hear him last night? You really are down with Clinton running a vintage 1992 race aren’t you?
Here is the first look map from Taegan Goddard of Political Wire
That is a devastating destruction of Trump.
Taegan Goddard of Political Wire projected Trump to lose the GOP nomination. Just sayin’
I think you secretly love Trump. I really do.
DD:
So you think the map makes no sense. A year ago did anyone think Trump made any sense?
All this map shows is one scenario, one in which an Electoral College tie is possible.
I wouldn’t bet on it happening, and Jason, no matter how reckless a gambler he might be, probably wouldn’t either, but it is a possible nightmare outcome.
Trump may be a bigot, a liar and a fabulist — but here is one fact that can’t be disputed: his chances of winning have been underestimated for more than a year, but he is going to win the Republican nomination. That’s a fact. I, for one, will not believe Trump is dead until I see the results on Nov. 8.
You love Trump too. Anyone who takes him seriously is secretly working for his election. It’s like that mole on your back. If you are afraid of it, you must secretly want cancer.
“I cannot wait until I can shout in your face: “I told you so!!!” It will be so enjoyable.”
I hope you are able to live out this fantasy.
Another point. The D’s are trying to win the Senate. A weak presidential candidate hurts challengers in Pa., OH, Illinois, Iowa, Wisconsin. That pretty much would kill D chances of taking back the Senate.
I love how it’s a game for him. DD views the fates of Muslims and Latinos the same way he views the outcome of a mid-season Phillies-Mets series.
“I think you secretly love Trump. I really do.”
What you’re detecting is that it’s easier to get worked up over Trump, pro or con, than it is Clinton. Granted, the core GOPers, the ones who really do believe the conservative bullshit (can’t spell conservative with the con), really are that stirred up about Clinton. A number of them, including Jindal last night, said he meant everything he said when he ripped Trump months ago, but Trump was still better than Hillary.
Team Clinton is making a mistake if it thinks people must like Hillary to vote for her. Trying to force an enthusiasm most of us don’t feel is having the opposite of the intended effect.
@Ben: It’s just DD’s competitive nature coming to the fore. Nobody likes to be wrong, and people who actually like Hillary have been told frequently that they’re wrong. Team Hillary’s defensiveness is entirely understandable.
Luckily Hillary over the years has shown her cockroach like resilience. At some point in time her political views agreed with 90% of the voters in this country. They may not have a clue as to where she stands on an issue today because it will change with the wind, but at one time they can safely say she was on their side…until she wasn’t.
She’s got it locked up…
Women+minorities > white guys
ben, i don’t understand why you think dd takes the fate of muslims and latinos lightly. just because he’s a hillary supporter? did i miss something else you said about this? she relies on identity politics more than any other candidate. because he’s afraid trump might win? any sane person agrees with that. read the andrew sullivan piece in new york mag (if you have about a day and a half). he concludes hillary is the only hope of stopping trump. like so many of us, he finds her an imperfect vessel. sullivan also connects trump very persuasively with fascist-type behavior. he doesn’t equate his incoherent policies exactly with the nazis. “say what you want about the tenants of national socialism, dude, at least it’s an ethos.”
“Women+minorities > white guys”
Who thinks that? I would say, and have said, they are equal.
And ya gotta trust Andrew Sullivan. He rose from his grave to oppose Trump!
Talk about imperfect vessels.
I meant in terms of voting power. Clinton will win because as much as white guys hate her, minorities and women are greater in number and hate Trump more.
I worry your skin isn’t thick enough for this.
if they have their voter id card…and get the right ballot
And I worry you can’t make your point in clear, concise sentences.
I’m on a sugar high from my gay cake lunch
anonymous: i trust sullivan on this. at least mostly. he does have his quirks.
It’s a math equation. I can run the numbers for you if you want, or you can do it yourself: 70 percent of women + 75 percent of Hispanics + 95 percent of blacks is greater than 70 percent of white guys.
I was referring to you taking that math equation as an attack of some sort, or as a defense of white guys. My demographic status seems very important to you, which is typical liberal identity-first thinking. The disconnect in the party is between people who were brought up on identity politics and can’t seem to get beyond it vs. those who want to get beyond it.
I know it’s privileged thinking to ignore the plight of each group with a grievance, that supposedly only white guys can do it, but if you can’t set aside your identity long enough to talk about problems common to us all, you’re going to alienate all the white guys eventually.
@Ex: I haven’t read him since he came back. Is he rational or unhinged?
You wrote this: “Women+minorities > white guys”
Then you spend several comments explaining what you meant by that first vague comment. If you had added those explanations to your first comment then we wouldn’t be here. But then there’s this: “but if you can’t set aside your identity long enough to talk about problems common to us all, you’re going to alienate all the white guys eventually.”
Got it. So, maybe I should stick with my first interpretation?
anon: sullivan sounds very rational to me. he sizes up the trump movement for the scary thing it seems to be. it’s worth a read. granted, he’s got plato in there. and james madison. and eric hoffer. and vince mcmahan. looks like he had a lot of pent-up thoughts! there’s so much in it that people are bound to find something they don’t agree with. his theory is sort of on the lines of idiocracy, but not exactly, and it’s much broader.
Absolutely. It fits your persecution complex better.
Next time I’ll assume lack of familiarity with mathematical symbols, just for you. Because you’re special.
@ex: He’s a sad case — a gay who wants to be Catholic, a gay who wants to be conservative, etc. He keeps trying to reconcile his political authoritarian instincts with his anti-authoritarianism. He’s bright but so conflicted he became painful to read.
Daddy issues, one expects.
anon: his (kind of) defense of elites — in the context of trump being propelled by troglodyte anti-elitists — might bother you. i’m fine with it in the context.
No, every time I visit this site I am reminded of the value of a self-identified elite.
The first map is just a dumb clickbait thing. DD’s map is obviously more accurate. If Hillary ONLY wins the states that were blue in all of the years 92, 96, 2000, 04, 08 and 12, she only needs FL to seal the deal. Jason has taken PA from her and given her NM.
I appreciate what J is doing here, though. This isn’t a done deal. It’s going to require that every Dem and most independent get out there and vote. They won’t vote if they think Hillary is a lock.
I’d like to get Ken Simpler on the record about which of Trump’s policies are his favorite.
PA feels Blue, but is a rust/coal belt state that has elected a Republican Governor, and a Republican US Senator as recently as 2011.
“They won’t vote if they think Hillary is a lock.”
That’s what I’m sayin…… but according to the party line, It will be a landslide. I guess there is no reason to vote for her.
I want more people to take this seriously. The US will not survive a Trump presidency.
If for no other reason than to have someone actually good at campaigning on her team, I would like this primary to end so Obama can hit the trail. He cant do that until it’s over, and Hillary looks bad until he can.
Jason – if you consider that the last Republican that won PA was George HW Bush in 1988, it doesn’t really hold water.
PA gets conservative Congressional delegations because Dems dont vote in mid-terms. 2011 was an off-year, so in true Democrat fashion, they stayed home and let a Repuke win.
@ex: Just finished the Sullivan piece. Some good historical stuff in there, especially the bit about upheaval occurring not during the worst of the crisis but after the crisis has passed but relief is long-coming, breeding frustration and anger.
I can’t see Trump being self-disciplined enough to pull this off, but I think somebody out there like him is taking copious notes for 2020.
I sure hope you are right..but… https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/blog/reading-david-brooks-altoona
White identity politics of resentment thy name is angry old uneducated white man
I want some gay cake too