Tuesday Open Thread [4.26.16]
NATIONAL—USA Today/Suffolk–Clinton 50, Sanders 45
NATIONAL–GENERIC CONGRESSIONAL BALLOT–GWU/Battleground–Democrats 46, Republicans 41
NATIONAL—USA Today/Suffolk–Trump 45, Cruz 29, Kasich 17
CONNECTICUT—Gravis–Trump 54, Kasich 27, Cruz 9 Trump +27
NATIONAL—USA Today/Suffolk–Clinton 49, Cruz 42 | Clinton 50, Trump 39
MARYLAND—Gravis–Trump 53, Kasich 24, Cruz 22
PENNSYLVANIA—Harper–Clinton 61, Sanders 33
PENNSYLVANIA—FOX 29/Opinion Savvy–Clinton 52, Sanders 41
PENNSYLVANIA—FOX 29/Opinion Savvy–Trump 48, Cruz 28, Kasich 19
PENNSYLVANIA–US SENATE—Harper–McGinty 39, Sestak 33, Fetterman 15
PENNSYLVANIA–US SENATE—FOX 29/Opinion Savvy–McGinty 39, Sestak 34, Fetterman 14
RHODE ISLANBD—Gravis–Trump 58, Kasich 21, Cruz 10
A new NBC News/Survey Monkey poll finds Donald Trump has cracked 50% support among GOP voters for the first time, followed by Ted Cruz at 26% and John Kasich at 17%.
So the polls are open. If you read this page, you better vote. Use this thread to talk about your polling experience, and if you are a poll worker, we would love to hear your stories about turnout and other campaign stories that are going on at your precinct. I voted first thing, the 5th voter in line at my polling place.
Rick Klein: “Putting aside the practical challenge of convincing tens of thousands of Republican voters to support not their favorite guy but some other guy – all to block a third guy – there’s a serious ideological rift between the two camps that are trying to team up. Many Kasich supporters thing Cruz is every bit as much of the problem with their party as is Donald Trump. Similarly, many Cruz supporters think the GOP has made too many mistakes with Kasich-like candidates.”
“You know who is comfortable talking about the new alliance? Donald Trump. It says something that the strategy being employed by his rivals fits Trump’s message much more comfortably than it does Kasich’s or Cruz’s.”
“The Republican Party could be maimed for years following the 2016 presidential election,” party insiders tell the Washington Examiner.
“They worry not just that front-runner Donald Trump will lose the general election to Hillary Clinton, but that the disruption he’s proudly caused will mean lost elections and diminished influence for years to come.”
“The outlook is so bad that a contested convention to stop the New York businessman is not their biggest worry, they say, even as he gets close to the 1,237 delegates he needs to secure the nomination… The deeper concern is that Trump will remake the party in his own image, breaking it to pieces and ending its existence as America’s recognizable and electable conservative party.”
Sen. Bernie Sanders conceded on MSNBC that he “faces narrow odds in convincing super delegates to switch their allegiances from the Democratic presidential front-runner, and instead hand him the nomination.”
Said Sanders: “At the end of the process, frankly, if we are behind in the pledged delegates, I think it’s very hard for us to win.”
“Sanders reiterated that his campaign plans to remain in the race through the California primary on June 7. In the face of a narrow path toward winning the Democratic nomination outright, Sanders said he was holding out for superdelegates to reconsider their support of party front-runner, Hillary Clinton.”
A new Harvard Institute of Politics poll of young voters finds Hillary Clinton the clear front-runner over Donald Trump to win the White House in 2016, 61% to 25%.
“More than three in five (61%) prefer that a Democrat win the White House, while 33% prefer a Republican. The divide of 28 points is nearly double what it was in Spring 2015, when the divide was 15 percentage points (55% Democrat; 40% Republican).”
Washington Post: “Obama has presided over a greater loss of electoral power for his party than any two-term president since World War II. And 2016 represents one last opportunity for him to reverse that trend.”
“The first big tests of the rebuilding efforts come Tuesday in Pennsylvania, where Obama is taking the unusual step of wading into two contested Democratic primaries, endorsing Senate hopeful Katie McGinty and Josh Shapiro, a Montgomery County official and early supporter of his who is hoping to become state attorney general.”
I was part of the way through writing my Post-Game/Pre-Game piece when I discovered that the General Assembly is taking the week off. It’s not Easter, it’s not Memorial Day weekend, they don’t usually take a week off here.
But they did. Maybe absence makes the heart less hostile, or something.
Voting Experience:
As an older minority voter, I was accosted by Bernie supporters and physically threatened until I lied and told them I’d change my vote…
My wife, a younger, just-out-of-college voter with business degree, was approached by Hillary supporters, who offered her a quid-pro-quo job offer with JPMorgan Chase as long as she supported Hillary…
[note: The above “experiences” are completely fabricated… Completely false. This disclaimer has been added in case isolated commenters fail to read to the end and beginning lobbing attack salvos.]
You scamp
I didn’t vote as I’ve been disenfranchised from participating in our democracy because the Democratic Party created unconscionable barriers by not allowing me to choose the nominee for their party which I do not identify with nor am I a member of.
Plus, I should be permitted to cast a vote for each party of which I am not a member, since those votes would not be multiple votes for the same nominee. The principle of one person one vote would not be violated because there is no interparty competition during the primary.
I told my work that I am building an email server at my house to handle all my company correspondence.
Did the guy in your job before you do the same thing?
Also, are you the CEO?
If not, what would work say if the CEO said that was what he/she wanted?
“Someone else did it, so I can” is not a valid excuse for an adult or a child.
Given everything you guys write about Hillary (love the GOP smears, btw), when/if she wins the nomination why wouldn’t you vote for Trump? That’s a serious question – not being snarky. You respond to her on visceral level and according to many of you she hasn’t done one good thing in her entire career and if she wins the Presidency she will continue to do awful things. So… why not Trump if Bernie loses.
That is the shittiest response you have ever given Nemski. Your absolutist statements today remind me of DD.
Her predecessors, the previous two stretching back to the dawn of the email in the State Department, did the exact same thing. If your goddamn CEO wanted an email server at home, he would have it at home. So would mine. And my customer’s.
Just because a schmo like you and me doesn’t get that, and because we are more knowledgeable about security than the average person, doesn’t mean that it was wrong. It was obviously the policy of the State Department for at least a decade.
You clearly dont understand our issues with Clinton…. and at this point, no amount of explanation will enlighten you.
You’ve gotten your pledges of party loyalty. Just because many of us remain warry of the nominee doesn’t meant we’re also misogynistic racists… which is exactly what you imply by saying “well why dont you like Trump?” Get a grip.
Wow. Nemski has gone full Republican. Do you want to talk about how she killed Vice Foster too? For now on, I will treat Nemski as a Republican.
This ugly anger phase you Bernie Supporters are going through right now is not attractive. I warn you not to burn any bridges while you are lashing out in your irrational anger.
I’m still waiting for the rest of your oppo research on Bernie. The first one, you yourself admitted was out of context, so if you have that so-called smoking gun, now is the time. Or maybe it’s like Trump’s proof of Obama’s Kenyan Birth?
anyway
here’s this http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/20/exclusive-hillary-clinton-took-me-through-hell-rape-victim-says.html
Worked Bayard Elementary school till 9 am with another Eugene Young volunteer. Bryan Townsend and his crew also worked the site. Eugene Young and his volunteers were spread out in all 8 districts. Only other workers encountered were a handful of paid workers for Mike P.
had a steady stream of voters till 9.
We had a good turn-out at Park View this morning, Paul. Quite a few Eugene fans there! I’m heading back out at 5pm for the evening shifts!
I love how BernieBros think will get concessions when they act like Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh.
Bring up one email server and everyone loses their mind.
What bridges? The ones torched long-ago when Sanders people were written off as sexists? When women were told to vote for Hillary or go to hell? You’re being smug and dismissive of people who have very little to lose. Clinton needs us. If we’re all Trump-people in hiding like Pandora seems to think, we dont need the Dems at all. Time to make up your mind. We’re either morons who you can win without, or we’re a serious voting block that must be won over. You cant have it both ways. I’m sorry if your victory is being soured by people not letting you gloat.
The anger in this thread is by the Hillary supporters.
But this is the Trump/Clinton way isnt it? You cant just simply win. You must destroy your opponent. You must make them feel shame and crushing defeat, since you know deep down, your own victory is a hollow one. Every smug remark, every use of BernieBro, just reinforces that this is about political victories and won arguments. Not about governing in a way that helps people. At least I can look at the official remarks of my candidate over the past 30 years and know he has been on the right side of history 99% of the time. Not shifted with the political winds. On the other hand… At least I can be reasonably sure than Clinton’s pandering will help some of the people I think need the help. So she’ll be a useful tool for a while. It will be fun to watch her rip apart whats left of the GOP.
Lies have that effect. Bravo.
hillary killed vince foster???!!!
nonono of course not. She had Doug Stamper do it.
I did not lie.
Yeah, I tend to react negatively when supposed progressives use Republican talking points
And a Hillary has said, in hindsight, it would have been better to have two email accounts.
It’s a question of judgment.
real request. (not like asking why sanders supporters wont vote for trump)
What do you consider a “GOP” talking point, and what is a Delaware Liberal Approved criticism of Clinton?
Im gonna say.. Benghazi, Email, anything having to do with Willy’s Willy, and use of the word “Liar” are forbidden.
Since I intend to be critical of the nominee… EVEN THOUGH I’LL VOTE FOR HER (got that, loyalty police?) … I’d like to know what talking points will get me instantly written off as a teabagger.
My guide is if Trey Gowdy said it first, you should review your belief.
Concessions? Hillary Clinton is now the Queen of motherfucking England ?
I think there’s Irony in the outrageous amounts of Support that a site with the name Liberal in it, is this supportive of a centrist if not right of center democrat
I dont think Trey Gowdy has ever criticized Hillary’s tepid embrace of civil rights, or her support of a horribly racist crime bill…. or how it took her almost 13 years to admit voting for the Iraq War was a mistake….. (to her credit, she has admitted it, and that was one of the things i demanded of her, so…… yay?)
It is clearly ridiculous, but Delaware Dem tends to go off the deep end, and is giving to fits of hyperbole and grandiose pronouncements.
Ben, but it was a nuanced smear.
she’s fucking Tom Carper and Mike Castle all in one
Democrat does not equal Liberal. Just ask Tom Carper.
In fact, Delaware Democrats tend to be the most Conservative ones in the party. So it makes a lot of sense.
But Donviti, don’t you know she can get things done for corporate America.
One thing I know about the election on November is that it is not binary regardless of what Pandora and DD think.
The tweet above could easily read: “Every time Bernie and Hillary fans on Delaware Liberal start fighting, it’s like my parents are getting divorced all over again and Puck or Dorian might be our new moderators.”
That’s going a bit too far, donviti… I do not believe she is having “relations” with both Tom Carper and Mike Castle at the same time…
Let’s try and stay semi-high brow here!
I’m going to go out on a limb and at least say that I can agree with Trump on his wanting to stick it to the Saudi’s, make the Middle East actually start having some skin in the game. As well as stop being the worlds police. I’m fine with a little isolationism and populism if it’s done the right way. He even says the TPP is wrong.
Where does Hillary stand on these issues? Where does she stand on TPP? You could tell me..but it will be wrong because you don’t know where she effing stands on it. She’s changed her mind on it. Flip Flopped. Waffled.
That’s all she is. Mike freaking Castle and here are the holy trinity of DL’ers all bowing in her wake of doublespeak. It’s nauseating. I don’t know what DL stands for.
What do you guys actually stand for? because the more you support Hillary the less credit you have. You can’t say you are one thing, then support someone and something that doesn’t align even remotely with your beliefs.
Your Brand Name Says Delaware Liberal, but there’s really only one liberal here.
It’s like Subway’s $5 foot long…it’s not really even a foot long but hey…what are words anymore
DD said:
“Yeah, I tend to react negatively when supposed progressives use Republican talking points.”
Are you fucking kidding me?
DV, you made the mistake of using a swear and not totally disavowing Trump. Now, rather than having your legitimate questions about Hillary answered, You will be attacked as a Trump voter.
“That I wasted whole decades of my life defending them (the Clintons) is a something I will never be able to live down, or forgive.”
Guess who said it?
DD?
“What do you guys actually stand for? because the more you support Hillary the less credit you have.”
The more you say it like that, the less credit you have, at least for a decent share of the people (which I know matters not)… Pretty sure I’m not the only one who recognizes that most of the back/forth commentary on here has devolved into a slight variation on [crass analogy ahead] a bunch of frat guys pulling out their dicks to compare who is bigger and/or better.
By your established barometer, my kids will grow up being raised by two amoral, obsequeious worshippers of corporate elitists, ecstatic at the prospect of further widening of income inequality and the continued corporatization of America.
All hail, Lord Business (a.k.a. Hillary Clinton)!!!
I continue to fail miserably at understanding why seemingly intelligent people seem more willing to be insulting when typing versus when they are in person. And in the off-chance I get picked apart on this, quite a few of the people on both sides of that Civil War graphic fit this bill.
I was just told incorrectly by an election official that I had to show ID to vote.
McVey elem is absolutely littered with trump signs
A sign at McVey school in Rodney Village had a list of acceptable I D
“What do you guys actually stand for? because the more you support Hillary the less credit you have.”
Donviti still can’t come to terms with the fact that we’re not all Angry White Guys here.
Are you fucking kidding me?
No. Not kidding.
that’s right, cassandra. it’s all about the white guys.
I voted for Roque.
I HATE Delaware’s voting machines.
You hit the vote button and no one will ever know if your vote was recorded for the candidate you chose.
Let’s replace them before the 2016 election.
Please.
I greeted at my polling place from 8am to 630. No campaigns posted signs, but an early Hillary voter produced two from her trunk. Then, several hours later, some Bernie supporters saw the lack, went home and MADE signs, and brought them back. Bravo to them. Steady all day. I told two voters how to request provisional ballots, and we were inspected for ADA compliance.
Now I have sunburn, but it was a great day.
@donviti: she’s fucking Tom Carper and Mike Castle Pictures? Oh, context. Never mind.
Trump tweets today advising Bernie to go Independent. Sounds crazy, yes? But it’s not aimed at Bernie, it’s aimed at his supporters.
My biggest concern is that most of you guys on both sides of the Civil War don’t really get that while Trump is erratic and scary he is also brilliant and cunning and quite capable of making all the normal rules … change. The evidence is there is just how close Bernie did come to knocking Clinton for a loop, in how Trump has hollowed out the GOP and taken it over as the vehicle for what is essentially an independent run for President.
Trump doesn’t give two shits about the survival of the GOP–he will take his base (which is admittedly about 20-22%) and start to go after moderates and independents just as soon as he has the nomination, and those of you who believe his multitudinous former statements about women, and Mexicans, and whoever else will eventually haunt him are just, I fear … wrong.
Count me as a Trump concern troll too. At least until the general is underway and we see some head-to-head polling after they have thrown a few puncnes.
it’s all about the white guys.
That’s what the white guys say!