Bernie Rally Open Thread
Let no one know say I am not magnanimous. Here is a open thread for all those on Team Ironman who are going to feel the bern this afternoon at the Bernie Sanders Rally at the Chase Riverfront. Here is a picture from Delaware Public Media showing that the stage is set.
The room is set for Bernie Sanders in #wilmde #netde #electionDE #Election2016 pic.twitter.com/mxGnsJk6ja
— DelawarePublicMedia (@WDDE911) April 23, 2016
And some Berniacs are already in line.
Some Sanders supporters already waiting for rally in #WilmDE at Chase Ctr #netDE #Election2016 ElectionDE pic.twitter.com/5tzU5PmcM3
— DelawarePublicMedia (@WDDE911) April 23, 2016
I’m here with volunteers will report as it gets s going
I’ll be listening for “tone” and to see what the longer term movement building objectives are.
Talking to folks and asking – what happens if sanders doesn’t get the nomination. Responses are split between ill vote for the Democrat and I’ll hav to hear more from the democrat to make a decision
Well, that’s what I expected. Very few will say flat out that they will not vote or vote for Trump. Sure, there will be a few that vote for Stein of the Green Party, but more likely than not they would have voted that way anyway.
I agree. Not that I don’t want to hear Clibton say the right things, but The people who have to hear more only need to hear Donald Trump to make up their minds.
What Trump and Bernie have in common so far is just the opposite of what Clinton and Cruz have in common.
The populists build enthusiasm; the insiders build organizations.
And I trust that Clinton will make moves and say things that will make her more palatable to your average Berniac, and that plus Trump/Cruz will be enough.
And that’s the thing: it takes organization to win these primaries, all with their different rules and delegates. Obama is perhaps the only candidate who did both: enthusiasm and organization.
Obama is a good example; I think Bill Clinton in 1992 could be credited with the same; I also think that the Reagan campaign in 1980 (as opposed to Reagan himself, who was more the product than the producer) is also another good example because they learned the lessons of not doing so in 1976. You can’t go much further back than that because the game and the circumstances change too dramatically for really good comparisons. (Although McGovern did win the 1972 nomination by playing the “game” better than his opponents, particularly recalling the politics of the convention committee vote that seated his California delegation instead of the competing one.)
Yeah, the modern primary system didn’t begin until 1972. Hell, Humphrey and Nixon were nominated in 1968 without really competing in any of the primaries. The 1992 campaign on the Democratic side was weird. Clinton had the organization and some enthusiasm, but the candidate that had the most enthusiasm behind him (Cuomo) didn’t run. And at times Tsongas and Brown had some enthusiasm behind them, but it was more a “NeverClinton” kind of enthusiasm.
At the rally, Rosario Dawson said she stands with Monica Lewinsky’s fight against bullying. On Sunday Sanders defended Dawson’s overall speech, but declined specific comment on the Lewinsky reference.
Clinton’s policies and official actions are certainly fair game in a campaign. But there is line however dull or grey. But, I’m guessing that she gets a pass on this from most quarters as she has from Sanders. But what she said was wrong. Very wrong.
Lewinsky is relevant because it was Hillary who led the effort to smear that young woman. And when it turned out that Monica was telling the truth, and that Monica fought hard to keep it all secret, did Hillary apologize?