WH Issues Statement Saying It Will Not Veto Defense Bill
December 14th, 2011 • Related • Filed Under
By jason330
According to a couple reports, the White House has released a statement saying it will not veto a defense spending bill that allows for indefinite military detentions. – via TMP
My good friend anonone to commence bile spewing in 5, 4, 3,….
Comment by WVHilltop on 14 December 2011 at 4:30 pm:
The Grand Experiment is over, and the lamb like beast is ready to speak as a dragon.
Comment by Chris on 14 December 2011 at 5:01 pm:
I will wait for an official statement or the actual signing of the bill to comment. I would hope he would keep this promise.
Comment by puck on 14 December 2011 at 5:02 pm:
Maybe anonone has been detained.
Comment by Anonymous on 14 December 2011 at 6:35 pm:
Of course not. Senator Carl Levin exposed the administration on the Senate floor telling the world, “it was the administration who put this language in the bill”. We have been screwed, blued, and tatooed. Time to run a real progressive against Obama and push him to where the country is, center left. Americanselect.org and the 99%declaration have both been exposed as sham groups. Multimillionaires are supporting americanselect and 99%Declaration are going to run conservative candidates on an occupy progressive agenda…we are being bamboozled and hoodwinked.
Comment by Chris on 14 December 2011 at 6:44 pm:
The new language still does not guarantee citizens the right of due process. Apparently this just goes with the power to execute citizens without trial. Nothing to see here folks.
Comment by anonone on 14 December 2011 at 10:33 pm:
The American Police State with overwhelming bipartisan support continues to bare its teeth. It is no coincidence that these amendments were rapidly introduced into this bill in secret as the Occupy Wall Street movement began to get some legs.
Jason, I am not sure why you think it is “bile spewing” to speak with disgust and disrespect of dictators. Traditionally, this used to be an American value. And make no mistake: the American Police State led by Obama has assumed dictatorial powers that are beyond the reach of the courts or the legislatures.
Comment by kavips on 15 December 2011 at 3:24 am:
I now know, exactly how Caesar felt when he saw his best friend and confident, Brutus holding a bloodied dagger in his hand…
Comment by Jason330 on 15 December 2011 at 6:57 am:
Anonone is right of course. I just didn’t know how to express that. “bile spewing” was simply bad writtinh on my part.
Comment by anonone on 15 December 2011 at 10:06 am:
Greenwald’s take on this is too important not to be read. Obama is clearly and purposely leading America into an occupied military police state. There is no freedom or justice in a country that imprisons its citizens indefinitely without charges, trial, or legal representation.
As an American, voting for Barack Obama makes as much sense as an Egyptian voting for Hosni Mubarak.
Ron Paul, even with his utter lunacy, seems to be the only candidate that actually cares about civil liberties.
Comment by Dave on 15 December 2011 at 11:07 am:
While Greenwald is entertaining, I prefer to get my sourcer material, well directly from the source: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c112:2:./temp/~c112hLZdb8:e548990:
In case the link does not work or no one really wants to delve that deep, I provide the pertinent section:
“(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.”
I haven’t read the entire NDAA yet (it’s part of my job to understand what’s in it), but this part seems pretty clear. So unless something contradicts this…
Comment by anonone on 15 December 2011 at 11:28 am:
As Greenwald makes clear, Obama fought against including the American citizen exemption that you cited, or anything else that would limit the executive’s power to imprison people indefinitely without charges, trial, or legal representation.
Obama has already carried out the assassination at least one citizen.
Comment by Chris on 15 December 2011 at 9:31 pm:
Still nervous about how the language will be interpreted. Why didn’t the language expressly exempt citizens and lawful resident aliens. After all waterboarding is not currently considered torture but it was during WWII.
Comment by D. Kennedy on 16 December 2011 at 8:23 pm:
“I will wait for an official statement or the actual signing of the bill to comment. I would hope he would keep this promise.”
HAHAHAHAHA! Yea, like so many others.