Monday Open Thread
Welcome to your Monday open thread. My brother is visiting for a few days, so I won’t be around much. Play among yourselves.
Christine O’Donnell won another award! She’s already won the most expensive Delaware race ever award but this one is from Yale. (You know that place she was proud to tell us she didn’t attend.)
Christine O’Donnell’s TV ad declaration “I’m not a witch” during her U.S. Senate campaign topped this year’s best quotes, according to a Yale University librarian.
O’Donnell’s quote is cited by Fred Shapiro, associate librarian at Yale Law School, who released his fifth annual list of the most notable quotations of the year. In the ad, O’Donnell was responding to reports of her revelations that she had dabbled in witchcraft years ago.
“It was such a remarkable unconventional quote to be a part of the political discourse,” Shapiro said.
The quote by O’Donnell, a tea party favorite running in Delaware, tied for first place with “I’d like my life back,” the lament made in May by BP’s CEO Tony Hayward after the worst offshore oil spill in U.S. history.
Congrats Christine! She actually made the list twice – she was also #9 for her First Amendment gaffe. We’re certainly looking forward to your 2012 race against Tom Carper.
Fareed Zakaria did a nice takedown of Glenn Beck’s nonsense that 10% of all Muslims are terrorists. He ends up using Glenn Beck’s logic to prove that Glenn Beck is a terrorist.
Seriously, how long until Beck has a complete meltdown live on TV? He just keeps getting nuttier. Last week he announced the revolution had begun. We’re still waiting to find out what that is.
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http://gawker.com/5712977/tears-of-a-boehner
can you IMAGINE what would have been said about Nancy if she pulled crap like this.
Good news:”Judge in Va. strikes down federal health care law”
Says forcing people to buy a product from private companies is unconstitutional. Good for him.
By the way, this is why we needed to pass the public option via reconciliation when we had the chance.
HEY, CONGRATS A1!!!! must be a big win for you knowing that millions of americans wont be burdened with that evil obomba-care anymore. hell, they might not even have any health coverage at all. Sleep well.
anonone,
did you actually just “give props” to a conservative activist judge who is in the pocket of the insurance companies?
your blind hatred for Barack Obama is turning you into a real Tbag.
hell, they might not even have any health coverage at all. Sleep well.
How does not being forced to buy health care stop you from buying it if you want to? I didn’t see the subsidies struck down in the ruling.
By the way, this is why we needed to pass the public option via reconciliation when we had the chance.
Show me the votes for this.
Show me the votes for this.
Votes do not fall into your lap. You have to work for them. Today’s deal had “triple digit opposition” but Obama worked to overcome it.
Show me the Presidential address explaining the benefits of the public option, and insisting Congress deliver it. Show me the price paid by the senators who neutered it *cough* blanche lincoln joe lieberman.
I thought that the mandate without the public option was unconstitutional when it was first proposed. I still think using the government to force families to pay up to 1 month’s salary to corrupt for-profit insurance companies without a non-profit public option is wrong.
Perhaps you think that forcing families to pay the multi-million dollar bonuses of fat-cat insurance executives over their own food, clothing, and shelter is a good thing, but I don’t.
HCR 2010 = WMD 2002 Obomba lied while real HCR died.
“How does not being forced to buy health care stop you from buying it if you want to? I didn’t see the subsidies struck down in the ruling”
because next, the insurance cartels will…. with the activist conservative judges you love so much…. be able to get out of insuring everyone who WANTS health insurance because their only customers are silly sick people who have the gall to ask for the money they pay in. This is the first domino to a total repeal…. something you have been hoping very hard for.
again… congrats. Americans will start to be left for dead again and you got your way. Sleep well.
Of course it isnt a good thing. But it is all we can get right now… and for a while longer. Perhaps you like letting your countrymen get sick and die just so you have an idealogical victory.
They had the votes when they passed one part of Obama’s HCR using reconciliation, pandora.
Could you provide a link to that claim?
Naderite troll Anonone again carries water for the Chamber of Commerce. Last week, it was the poorly-informed bit about the 1099’s.
a.price, this bill does very little to control healthcare costs.
Forcing people to buy health insurance does not mean that they will be able to afford actual health care due to the high deductibles of cheap policies. With poverty rising and wages going down, how many middle class families do you think can simply afford to handover one month’s income to for-profit health insurers and still pay for food, clothing, rent, transportation, and actual medical care?
It will be interesting to see if the mandate is ruled unconstitutional at the end of the day. If it is, it won’t matter whether or not there is/was a public option. The mandate being ruled unconstitutional would be true if the only place you could get it was the private insurance market or a public option.
The only way I would see to get around it then would be through single payer. Otherwise, we will have vast swaths of young people that will choose to not have insurance since they are healthy and at the beginning of their careers. Of course, they are the healthiest among us, so they dilute the pool for the very young and the middle-aged.
the insurance cartels will…. with the activist conservative judges you love so much…. be able to get out of insuring everyone who WANTS health insurance
The rest of HCR clearly falls under the Commerce Clause, so no. The GOP House Obama delivered us might repeal it though, and the way things are going Obama might sign repeal for another bag of silver.
pandora:
From Howard Dean:
“At least 218 House and 51 Senate Democrats have said they would vote for the final healthcare bill if it included the choice of a public option rather than vote against the bill and kill reform”
Of course, it would have helped if Obama had actually campaigned for it as he promised instead of lying about saying that he ever did.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/howard-dean-dfa-launch-campaign-encouraging-51-vote-health-care-bill.php
It will be interesting, indeed, geek. Clearly, single payer is ultimately where this has to end up.
I’ve said it before – public health care, relief payments, and taxation of the rich will all be implemented by Republicans in the chaos of a catastrophic economic collapse caused by their own policies.
I recall that during the presidential primaries, Clinton advocated the health insurance mandate and Obama opposed it as unfair to those who would find it unaffordable.
Delaware’s own Pete Simon playing great jazz now [and every Monday night, 8 to 11 EST] on KUVO Denver: http://www.kuvo.org/
6 more Marines killed in Afghanistan; Karzai says he’d choose the Taliban over the US; Richard Holbrookes last words: “You’ve got to stop this war in Afghanistan.”
But please stop calling him “Obomba;” it isn’t polite.
all is right in the world. Cliff Lee is a philly again.
I second that emotion.
no back field in motion…sorry, couldn’t resist. Go Cliff Lee–for the love of the game and the team!!
Our new Democratic senator just voted for the Bush tax cuts for the rich. It will be remembered.
I think Christine O’Donnell would actually have voted against it.
“It will be remembered.”
Our three amigos will make sure of that.
“I think Christine O’Donnell would actually have voted against it.”
She would have voted against the HCR cave-in you revile, too. Hey, she’s your dream senator!
“But please stop calling him “Obomba;” it isn’t polite.”
Polite isn’t the problem. It simply isn’t mature. It starts pointless arguments. Using “humorous” names for the objects of your scorn went out in about, oh, seventh grade.
Where to go from here:
The Republican starve-the-beast strategy is going well for them. The deficit will continue in crisis mode, and Republicans will propose a steady stream of spending cuts to continue the dismantling of the New Deal and the Great Society. There are no revenue options on the table, unless…
The way to fight that is to take some hostages of our own. Every Republican spending cut must be blocked unless it is accompanied by a corresponding increase in taxes on the rich, until the Bush tax cuts for the rich have been all clawed back.
Obama can do that if he wants. He can execute that strategy by vetoing Republican bills that do not include tax increases for the rich.
Obama did say he was opposed to the tax cuts for the rich, right? Everybody heard him say that, right? I am not just projecting my purist notions on him? Now he has two years to prove he wasn’t lying.
Meanwhile…
The jobless recovery will continue, as the economy of the wealthy “recovers” while the middle class continues to contract.
To kill the allure of trickle-down, voters will need to be hit by a two-by-four again and again. The first two-by-four was the 2008 financial collapse, but it wasn’t enough, because everybody got bailed out to some extent. The message won’t get through to voters until all the bailout money is gone, and our children go to bed hungry at night.
“The message won’t get through to voters until all the bailout money is gone, and our children go to bed hungry at night.”
I agree. The best thing that happened to the Republicans was the electoral wipeout of 2008. Our ADHD nation forgot who caused all that. As long as Obama remains in the White House, the GOP (which could win enough Senate seats in ’12 to overcome the filibuster threat) will be their pinata and excuse for everything that goes wrong.
In short, we might have to (echoes of Nixon) have to see them destroy the country in order to save it.
“overcome the filibuster threat”
Democrats filibuster Republican bills? Thanks for the laugh, Geezer.
That is why I say kill the filibuster. It always hurts us and never helps us.
For God’s sake Democrats just filibustered their own bill. Without the filibuster the House middle class cuts would have passed with 53 votes.
“That is why I say kill the filibuster. It always hurts us and never helps us.”
Yes, we’re well aware that you’re in favor of scorched-earth politics.