Freedom Of Religion? Yeah, Right
July 22nd, 2010 • Related • Filed Under
By pandora
Digby posts the latest hypocrisy from the christianists.
Never let it be said that the Right misses an opportunity to stir up the hate. Kind of ironic that this crap comes from the don’t blame us, it was a lone wolf crowd.
Comment by MJ on 22 July 2010 at 2:30 pm:
Just sick. And GOP-sponsored, too.
Comment by nemski on 22 July 2010 at 2:33 pm:
WOW, when did fellow Americans who happen to be Muslim become “they”. Sweet Jesus on a pogo stick.
Comment by delacrat on 22 July 2010 at 2:34 pm:
A mosque at ground zero. Yawwwwn
Comment by Geezer on 22 July 2010 at 2:45 pm:
Allah bless America.
Comment by cassandra m on 22 July 2010 at 2:47 pm:
And it isn’t a mosque.
Take a look at the website for the Cordoba Initiative to see what they want to do. And contrast that with the bullshit these wingnuts needed to create to get their fearmongering on.
The facility is meant to be:
This will be in an existing building. In the Financial District. With no sightlines to Ground Zero. People will walk right by this and never know what it is. But the people I work with in a closeby Federal building are sorta psyched that they may get a pool close to their office.
Comment by liberalgeek on 22 July 2010 at 2:48 pm:
Loved that song when Kate Smith sang it…
Comment by Republican David on 22 July 2010 at 4:23 pm:
I think they should build it elsewhere voluntarily, but it is their right as Americans. Government should not interfere. They say it will include a community center open to all as a testament of unity for all Americans and standing against the terrorists. It is not a celebration of 9/11. I value the first amendment. Make no law doesn’t sound riddled with exceptions. If you tell them they can’t build their facility, then you are powerful enough to tell my church the same thing.
I don’t agree with building it that close because it likely will stir up negative emotions for a while that could hurt their cause if indeed they want unity, but it is their right. Pure and Simple
Comment by Republican David on 22 July 2010 at 4:25 pm:
Now let’s address the facts. This is not coming from a religious group. It is a political group trying to make cheap points and raise money. Don’t act like the Christian Conservatives are bashing Muslims here.
Comment by nemski on 22 July 2010 at 4:43 pm:
Yeah right.
“There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia. The time for double standards that allow Islamists to behave aggressively toward us while they demand our weakness and submission is over.”
So say’s the Newt.
Comment by nemski on 22 July 2010 at 4:45 pm:
Or this:
A Christian legal group representing thousands of Americans opposed to the building of an Islamic mosque near Ground Zero has urged New York City officials to grant landmark status to the current building on the site.
Comment by nemski on 22 July 2010 at 4:48 pm:
Or this:
Longtime observers of Muslim communities in America say opposition to mosques used to be relatively minor and would typically be more about zoning issues than politics. Now groups are protesting against mosques because of opposition to Islam, says Ihsan Bagby, an associate professor of Islamic studies at the University of Kentucky.
Comment by nemski on 22 July 2010 at 4:49 pm:
Repubican David, you’ve been refudiated!
Comment by MJ on 22 July 2010 at 5:05 pm:
GOP + Teabagging Wingnuts = Christian Conservatives OR Teabagging Wingnuts + Christian Conservatives = GOP. Hmm, seems to add up any way you look at it.
Comment by liberalgeek on 22 July 2010 at 9:37 pm:
My evangelical barometer just scared the heck out of me. It was all “Building a mosque is a symbol of victory to them!” or some such crap. My mention of freedom of religion evoked a response about how I should remember that in a few years.
Sheesh. At least Delusional David sees the basic issue of their freedom to build there and the basic rights that they are exercising.
Comment by Observer on 23 July 2010 at 7:31 pm:
You may recall that back in the 1980s, a convent outside of Auschwitz aroused international controversy and condemnation, and it was forced to close. This was four decades after the Holocaust, and despite the fact that several canonized Catholic martyrs died at Aushwitz.
We are less than a decade from 9/11, and yet any objections to putting a mosque in a building severely damaged by the landing gear of one of the planes used in the attack is treated as some sort of hate-filled bigotry. I don’t buy that argument — any more than I would buy the argument that opposition to a Shinto temple at Pearl Harbor being built in 1950 would have been wrong. Don’t you see something indecent about the location of the mosque in this particular historical context?
Comment by a.price on 23 July 2010 at 7:39 pm:
once again, the right-wing victim mentality. Observer, i seem to recall your mutant leaders (sarah palin) suggest NYC wasn’t even “real america”
It is time you realized the right wing ideology is not what the terrorists hate… it is what they desperately try and stoke in this country. Racism, intolerance and hate are ALL right up there on Bin Laden’s list as things he would like to see this country descend in to.
What about the Confederate flag ANYWHERE in this country? oh it is a heritage that wasn’t all bad? Is that ok if the heritage in question is mostly christian and ALL white?
Take your double standards and succeed from the country already.
Comment by Observer on 23 July 2010 at 7:50 pm:
Gee, a.price, what can I say?.
1) No punctuation in most sentences.
2) Inconsistent following of rules of capitalization.
3) Confusion regarding the near homonyms “succeed” and “secede”.
In my book, your language skills are equal to or inferior to those of Sarah Palin.
Comment by pandora on 23 July 2010 at 9:51 pm:
We are less than a decade from 9/11, and yet any objections to putting a mosque in a building severely damaged by the landing gear of one of the planes used in the attack is treated as some sort of hate-filled bigotry. I don’t buy that argument — any more than I would buy the argument that opposition to a Shinto temple at Pearl Harbor being built in 1950 would have been wrong. Don’t you see something indecent about the location of the mosque in this particular historical context?
By this logic I guess all christian churches should be banned near the Oklahoma City bombing site. Right?
Comment by Observer on 24 July 2010 at 2:52 pm:
Had the bombing been done by a Christian in the name of Christianity, I might agree with you. But it wasn’t, so they shouldn’t.
Comment by a. price on 24 July 2010 at 2:54 pm:
No you wouldn’t. you would praise the bombers as freedom fighters who want to advance the origins of this country.
Comment by a. price on 24 July 2010 at 3:02 pm:
OR you would be saying “there are a lot of Christians! just because this one group was violent and evil doesn’t mean all are! in fact we should build this church to show not all Christians are violent… but I guess brown people are held to a different standard.
Comment by Observer on 24 July 2010 at 8:08 pm:
Yeah, a.price, that’s it — play that race card for all its worth, like the mindless, brain dead punk you are. After all, it is proof that you have nothing else on your side.
Comment by Geezer on 24 July 2010 at 11:03 pm:
“Don’t you see something indecent about the location of the mosque in this particular historical context?”
It’s not a mosque, and no.
Can we get an expiration date on your outrage? Considering that, y’know, it’s the world’s most popular religion and Muslims from dozens of countries not in the Middle East (such as this one) had nothing to do with the attack?
Comment by liberalgeek on 24 July 2010 at 11:39 pm:
This is actually the moment where the Republicans that have been saying “We aren’t at war with Islam” are shown to be craven liars. It’s like the scene at the end of a few good men. You just have to wait, and they will crack and tell you EXACTLY what they really think.
It is the same with all bigots. In the 60’s they said, “Blacks should have the same rights as us white folks… they’re moving in where?!?!?!?”
Comment by Geezer on 24 July 2010 at 11:50 pm:
“Blacks should have the same rights as us white folks… they’re moving in where?!?!?!?”
Followed by, “Of course they have every right to move in there. But they should realize that passions run high, and we can’t guarantee that violent elements won’t attack them, and they should voluntarily stay in their own neighborhoods” and blah, blah, blah.
Comment by pandora on 25 July 2010 at 6:49 am:
Exactly right, LG and Geezer. What’s most disturbing is how Observer (and FBH on the Newt thread) think they’re being “reasonable” when, in fact, they’ve only shown themselves to be small-minded bigots.
Comment by Observer on 25 July 2010 at 4:01 pm:
I’ve never said we are not at war with Islam. Indeed, I believe the greatest failure of the Clinton, Bush, and Obama Administrations is their failure to acknowledge that Islam is at war with us, and we must respond appropriately.
Comment by Observer on 25 July 2010 at 4:05 pm:
And Geezer, yes it is a mosque. In my community we have a “Christian Familoy Center” with a gym, daycare center, McDonalds, book store, school and other facilities — all built around the central feature of the “Christian Family Center”, the 5000 seat sanctuary of one of the largest mega-churches in town, complete with theater seating and cupholders for when they have show movies and hold concerts there. Anyone want to tell me that the place “is not a church”? It is — just as this project is a mosque with the same sort of ancillary facilities I just described.
Comment by a.price on 25 July 2010 at 4:33 pm:
“that Islam is at war with us, and we must respond appropriately.”
And what exactly should our response be? should we put all Muslims into camps just in case? should we bomb countries based on what religion they follow? careful observer, you are close to outing yourself as a racist christian extremest crusader.
Thank god our commander in chief doesn’t think like you.
Comment by delacrat on 25 July 2010 at 5:32 pm:
This is Delaware.
Why should we care if a mosque is built in New York ?
Comment by Observer on 25 July 2010 at 6:01 pm:
1) Your commander-in-chief, not mine. To quote many Democrats during the Bush years, “Not my president” — and don’t you dare question my patriotism, because my dissent is the highest form of patriotism.
2) No need to detain most Muslims, but there is no reason why the authorities should not be paying very close attention to what goes on at mosques, especially ones that keep producing terrorists and terrorist sympathizers. Ditto organizations with connections to Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Muslim Brotherhood.
3) Why care if the mosque is built in New York? Well, given that the events of 9/11 were an attack on the United States as a whole, what is done at or near the sites of the individual attacks are of importance to the nation as a whole. Proper preservation of such a historical site is the business of every American, just like it is the business of Americans what is built in the area around the Gettysburg battlefield, even if they don’t live in PA, if it harms the integrity of the battlefield.
4) Given that Islam is not a race but is instead an ideology, to call someone racist because they have problems with Islam is a sign of a lack of cognitive understanding on your part. Christian — are you SURE, or are you simply making an assumption based upon your own personal bigotry? Extremist — is it really extreme to take those who attacked us and those who support them at their word when they say that this is a war between Islam and America? Crusader — interesting that you use the same word as Osama bin Laden to describe Westerners who are not Muslims.