The Senate Health care deal will put Joe Leiberman in charge of regulating your health insurance. Thats right! Joe Leiberman the biggest prostitute for the insurance industry would be Chair of the National Office Of Personel Mgt. (OPM). This “exchange” for national non profit insurance plans, ( a replacement for the Public Option)and its operation is unclear.

Rumors that if non profit companies fail to offer good enough Plans on the “exchange”, would trigger the creation of a real Public Option.

Joe Leiberman the mouthpiece for the insurance companies will
CHAIR the committee that overseas the “alternative” to the public option. It puts Leibermans finger on the public option and the trigger.

The idea of putting Leiberman in charge of keeping the insurance companies honest…is putting the biggest fox in the woods inside the hen house.

This is the deal Leiberman will get from Reid and the demorats to get Leibermans vote. Its an outrage. Of course, you can be assured that Senator Tom Carpetbagger Carper will be on that committee, the man who has consistently exposed the ridiculous exchange program since day one.

Our only hope now is that Houe Progressives refuse to vote for this bill by rejecting the corrupt bought out corporate owned Senate bill.

See liberals will accept ANY compromise. It is the REAL progressives who fought this battle and are fighting tonight as we speak…not libs like Howard Dean ready to cave in.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/weiner-on-medicare-buy-in-this-is-one-idea-i-like-a-lot.php

And Howard Dean likes it too.

If progressives do accept the compromise, where does that leave you or others like you?

It is very easy “keeping it real” and being pure in ideology when you are in the opposition. But we are actually trying to govern now, Donviti. I understand you have no interest in that, and you will always be on the sidelines screaming at what you do not like, but some of us are in politics to get things done. Winning election after election means nothing if nothing is done. You want nothing done right now. I do.

But, before I fall in love or go on a rant, I’d actually like to, you know, read the plan.

It’s not what I want. It’s what the country wants. It’s what is fair. You know what fair is right? It’s not not doing something because it impacts a corporations bottom line.

which is exactly what this is. A bill catered to big business and ensuring we don’t hurt their precious profit margins.

I will take it for now and still complain. and in 10 years when we are right back where we are now, we can start this kabuki dance all over.

(still patting bald head)

Donviti, you are the petulant purist I was talking about. You would reject this bill, and have Congress pass nothing unless they pass exactly what you want. I would rather them get something done than nothing. And actually, the expansion of Medicare is better than a Public Option. Indeed, the most progressive option for universal healthcare, other than single payer, was the Medicare for all. The expansion down to 55 does not go far enough yet, but I will take it for now.

I am a liberal and I am a pragmatist.

How about you change that to say, “loyal democrat that has his party in power and knows his guys are almost as bad as the other guys, but at least I was given a peace of bread to eat this time in stead of the shit sandwich I was eating for the past 8 years” that would read better and be more honest. Pragmatist? Are you kidding? You settled is what you did. You aren’t liberal. You are a democrat.

I am not one of those liberal purists who, like the current fringe of the right wing, scream like petulant children when they do not get 100% of what they want.

I’m trying to digest this sentence and I am perplexed with the combative tone you take to the folks that Obama catered to and that got him elected. Aren’t you concerned that you making an apples to oranges comparison? DD, I am one of those people that screams and I know god damned well this bill doesn’t give us 30% of what we want. How many people still aren’t covered? What costs were curbed? Are you saying we should be happy with this steaming pile of shit called a “health care bill” That has triggers in it, give aways to urgent care centers, what about subsidies? Hmmmmm, really changing the way we do business there.

I hardly think I’m fringe. I don’t want a war. I want a public option. I don’t believe Jesus is coming again. the world is over 5000 years old. Climate change is real. i don’t want to drill baby drill. I don’t think torture is right. I don’t think spying on amaericans is ok to make me safe. I belive in gun control and I don’t think Obama is Kenyan.

Way to go all CNN on us and make the extremes of both party become equal in their extremism.

So I will take this deal despite my disappointment in the lack of a robust public option.

Yes you will (patting your bald head) You will take it and like it and stfu. Because it’s your party in power. and your a “pragmatist”

In the end, we want to forbid insurance companies from rescinding coverage when you get sick, and denying coverage for preexisting conditions, and we want to lower costs across the board for everyone so that premiums for everyone stop rising 10-20% each year, and we want to make insurance available to those who do not have it and cannot afford it. This compromise accomplishes at least three of the four goals there, and makes significant inroads on the fourth. So I will take it for now.

And the insurance companies still make fucktons of money because the government gave them a 50% off coupon that says they will pay for my half of the insurance. And it doesn’t lower jack shit. It might as well be cash for clunkers or an indefinite TARP that allows them to rape tax payers for decades to come.

this is a total give away to the health care companies that will still have a state by state monopoly. Nothing changes, 10million people still won’ be covered. they got subsidies. the triggers are a joke and of course the loopholes would make a tom Delay proud.

I guess I’m semi-intelligent and petulant now because I thought it was going to be different with a supermajority in both the house and the Senate.

Way to march to the middle DD.

At this point I am looking forward to Harry Reid being replaced by a Republican in 2010.

And private insurance companies would face stringent new regulations, including a requirement that they spend at least 90 cents of every dollar they collect in premiums on medical services for their customers.

Seems like that’s gonna hurt.

And this morning he was on The Early Show on CBS reiterating his support for this deal.

He called it a “positive step forward” that “makes a lot of sense” and described it as “what should have been done in the first place.”

He asked and answered the most important question about this compromise (apart from the obvious political advantage, that it makes passage of health care reform more likely):
“Whatever we call it is irrelevant. Is it going to work? Yes, it is.”

Dr. Dean also called the deal “real reform.”

It looks like there will be some regulations imposed on the plans offered through FEHB. We haven’t seen the details yet but it sounds like they will standardize the plans so that it won’t differ from state to state.