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	<title>Comments on: Do We Need To Merge School Districts, Or A New Mindset?</title>
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		<title>By: arthur</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/12/01/do-we-need-to-merge-school-districts-or-a-new-mindset/#comment-162708</link>
		<dc:creator>arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Local control means the right to hold the community hostage &#039;for the kids&#039; at referendum time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Local control means the right to hold the community hostage &#8216;for the kids&#8217; at referendum time</p>
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		<title>By: pandora</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/12/01/do-we-need-to-merge-school-districts-or-a-new-mindset/#comment-162689</link>
		<dc:creator>pandora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooh, great question, Another Mike.  I&#039;m not sure what &quot;local control&quot; means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh, great question, Another Mike.  I&#8217;m not sure what &#8220;local control&#8221; means.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/12/01/do-we-need-to-merge-school-districts-or-a-new-mindset/#comment-162676</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not trying to be a smart ass here, but what exactly do you mean by &quot;local control&quot;? Graduation requirements are set by the state, are they not? What benefits, exactly, do our students currently realize because the districts have local control? Not the administration, not the teachers, but the students.

Can anyone give examples from three Delaware school districts of local control? I&#039;m guessing that Brandywine School District having an IB program is one, so you can&#039;t use that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not trying to be a smart ass here, but what exactly do you mean by &#8220;local control&#8221;? Graduation requirements are set by the state, are they not? What benefits, exactly, do our students currently realize because the districts have local control? Not the administration, not the teachers, but the students.</p>
<p>Can anyone give examples from three Delaware school districts of local control? I&#8217;m guessing that Brandywine School District having an IB program is one, so you can&#8217;t use that one.</p>
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		<title>By: John Manifold</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Manifold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Red Clay a good example of what can go wrong in consolidation.  One part of district elects entire board, tilts policy in its favor, screws schools in rest of district.  

General result of post-deseg upstate consolidation of upstate districts: No economy of scale, no local control, layers of life-tenured middle management.  Things were a lot better when Stanton, McKean, Conrad and AI had their own districts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red Clay a good example of what can go wrong in consolidation.  One part of district elects entire board, tilts policy in its favor, screws schools in rest of district.  </p>
<p>General result of post-deseg upstate consolidation of upstate districts: No economy of scale, no local control, layers of life-tenured middle management.  Things were a lot better when Stanton, McKean, Conrad and AI had their own districts.</p>
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		<title>By: Unbiased American</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/12/01/do-we-need-to-merge-school-districts-or-a-new-mindset/#comment-162610</link>
		<dc:creator>Unbiased American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, such a plan would also severely diminish local control over your local schools, likely resulting in responsiveness akin to what you get when you go for your driver&#039;s license.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, such a plan would also severely diminish local control over your local schools, likely resulting in responsiveness akin to what you get when you go for your driver&#8217;s license.</p>
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		<title>By: cassandra_m</title>
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		<dc:creator>cassandra_m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot I wanted to talk about this:

&lt;i&gt;Why don’t we view administrators as a support system for teachers, rather than the head honchos? &lt;/i&gt;

When my dad was a school principal, this was pretty much the way that he ran the front office.  His job was to make sure that teachers had what they needed to do their jobs AND to deal with the folks at HQ to get resources and do the best he could to keep them away from the teachers.  Because teachers should be teaching, not kissing the butt of bureaucrat someplace.  Other good principals that I saw at the time had similar mindsets(and if you think about the kind of places that 60 Minutes tends to idolize you see this as something of a pattern).

It strikes me that this is a way to think about some of the additional streamlining to get more resources in a classroom.  Some HQ overhead is to be expected but I&#039;m pretty sure that there is alot that is not needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot I wanted to talk about this:</p>
<p><i>Why don’t we view administrators as a support system for teachers, rather than the head honchos? </i></p>
<p>When my dad was a school principal, this was pretty much the way that he ran the front office.  His job was to make sure that teachers had what they needed to do their jobs AND to deal with the folks at HQ to get resources and do the best he could to keep them away from the teachers.  Because teachers should be teaching, not kissing the butt of bureaucrat someplace.  Other good principals that I saw at the time had similar mindsets(and if you think about the kind of places that 60 Minutes tends to idolize you see this as something of a pattern).</p>
<p>It strikes me that this is a way to think about some of the additional streamlining to get more resources in a classroom.  Some HQ overhead is to be expected but I&#8217;m pretty sure that there is alot that is not needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Brooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, full agreement there, pandora. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, full agreement there, pandora. <img src='http://www.delawareliberal.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: pandora</title>
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		<dc:creator>pandora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not at all.  Mainly because they were screwing over children - and not just any children, the neediest children.  They relied on poverty and it&#039;s silence to get their way.  That makes them despicable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not at all.  Mainly because they were screwing over children &#8211; and not just any children, the neediest children.  They relied on poverty and it&#8217;s silence to get their way.  That makes them despicable.</p>
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		<title>By: Kilroy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kilroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ugh! Don’t get me started, Kilroy.&quot;

LOL ! come on now don&#039;t you miss the day sparing with the Don and his capos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ugh! Don’t get me started, Kilroy.&#8221;</p>
<p>LOL ! come on now don&#8217;t you miss the day sparing with the Don and his capos.</p>
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		<title>By: pandora</title>
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		<dc:creator>pandora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh!  Don&#039;t get me started, Kilroy.</description>
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		<title>By: Kilroy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kilroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Guess you never heard about Red Clay’s District office site. I believe it was constantly referred to as the penthouse.&quot;

You go it! And I have copies of the invoices for the imported cherry veneered furniture. Wasn&#039;t the lease for $650,000,00 + a year? Remember Red Clay owne an office build paid in full on Washington Street and sold it to help pay for Brandywine Springs which had an annex building for the new district office. The the parents cried to expand Brandywine Springs to K-8 and the district office signed off to a multi year lease at he penthouse even though there was space at Warner or asking Charter School of Wilmington vacanted now needed space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Guess you never heard about Red Clay’s District office site. I believe it was constantly referred to as the penthouse.&#8221;</p>
<p>You go it! And I have copies of the invoices for the imported cherry veneered furniture. Wasn&#8217;t the lease for $650,000,00 + a year? Remember Red Clay owne an office build paid in full on Washington Street and sold it to help pay for Brandywine Springs which had an annex building for the new district office. The the parents cried to expand Brandywine Springs to K-8 and the district office signed off to a multi year lease at he penthouse even though there was space at Warner or asking Charter School of Wilmington vacanted now needed space.</p>
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		<title>By: Progressive Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Progressive Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting discussion.

My kids have gone to school in Brandywine years ago;  and to a small, local district in another state;  and to a large, county-wide consolidated district in yet another (We&#039;ve moved a lot!)

We&#039;ve been in a school with a high percentage of parental involvement and in a school with almost none.

Here&#039;s the thing:  the small, local district is more expensive; my taxes for the same valued house are much, much higher; my kids&#039; services are often dependent on the &quot;squeaky wheel&quot; syndrome; and who you know is much more important than what your kid needs; and, while there are fewer services, you know exactly what your kid is getting.  The administrators are accessible, but often entrenched.

The large, consolidated, county-wide district is less expensive; my kids&#039; services are dependent on how they test out and what the counselor says; you can&#039;t really know anyone except your kids&#039; teachers and assistant principals; and there are many more services, courses and &quot;stuff&quot; offered, but you sometimes have to seek it out and you have to keep up -- no one is going to lead parents gently by the hand.  The administrators aren&#039;t living in &quot;a monument to monopoly in education&quot; (brooke-- I love that phrase!) but are very aware of the trajectory of their careers, more so than their peers in the smaller districts.

It&#039;s just different. 

Good education doesn&#039;t depend on the size of the district (and sometimes not even the amount of money thrown at it).  There are so many variables.  My experience in Brandywine was horrible.  Most people wouldn&#039;t agree.  My experience in Louisville, KY -- a place that should have been the pits -- was outstanding.

There is no &quot;one size fits all&quot;.  But as the costs of education continue to grow far faster than the rate of the economy, and as property values decline, there will be a point of revolt:  whether you decrease the school budget and deal with the fallout, or you lower costs through consolidation, a choice will have to be made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting discussion.</p>
<p>My kids have gone to school in Brandywine years ago;  and to a small, local district in another state;  and to a large, county-wide consolidated district in yet another (We&#8217;ve moved a lot!)</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been in a school with a high percentage of parental involvement and in a school with almost none.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing:  the small, local district is more expensive; my taxes for the same valued house are much, much higher; my kids&#8217; services are often dependent on the &#8220;squeaky wheel&#8221; syndrome; and who you know is much more important than what your kid needs; and, while there are fewer services, you know exactly what your kid is getting.  The administrators are accessible, but often entrenched.</p>
<p>The large, consolidated, county-wide district is less expensive; my kids&#8217; services are dependent on how they test out and what the counselor says; you can&#8217;t really know anyone except your kids&#8217; teachers and assistant principals; and there are many more services, courses and &#8220;stuff&#8221; offered, but you sometimes have to seek it out and you have to keep up &#8212; no one is going to lead parents gently by the hand.  The administrators aren&#8217;t living in &#8220;a monument to monopoly in education&#8221; (brooke&#8211; I love that phrase!) but are very aware of the trajectory of their careers, more so than their peers in the smaller districts.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just different. </p>
<p>Good education doesn&#8217;t depend on the size of the district (and sometimes not even the amount of money thrown at it).  There are so many variables.  My experience in Brandywine was horrible.  Most people wouldn&#8217;t agree.  My experience in Louisville, KY &#8212; a place that should have been the pits &#8212; was outstanding.</p>
<p>There is no &#8220;one size fits all&#8221;.  But as the costs of education continue to grow far faster than the rate of the economy, and as property values decline, there will be a point of revolt:  whether you decrease the school budget and deal with the fallout, or you lower costs through consolidation, a choice will have to be made.</p>
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		<title>By: pandora</title>
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		<dc:creator>pandora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guess you never heard about Red Clay&#039;s District office site.  I believe it was constantly referred to as &lt;i&gt;the penthouse&lt;/i&gt;.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guess you never heard about Red Clay&#8217;s District office site.  I believe it was constantly referred to as <i>the penthouse</i>.  <img src='http://www.delawareliberal.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I think our points of view would be very similar. :)

But here&#039;s the thing. We must evaluate EVERY action we take with our schools primarily as it impacts our students. God knows, I&#039;d like costcutting. The impact on my family of raises in school taxes has been ridiculous, for reasons I won&#039;t go into, here. But I saw the consolidation we&#039;ve previously undergone having a largely negative impact on student outcome, and that makes me cautious. 

Consolidation assumes that 3/4 of our current administrative staff is superfluous. I just find that hard to credit. I&#039;m picturing, frankly, &quot;District offices&quot; that rise from the plain like Ship Rock, visible for miles, a monument to monopoly in education. Worries me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I think our points of view would be very similar. <img src='http://www.delawareliberal.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But here&#8217;s the thing. We must evaluate EVERY action we take with our schools primarily as it impacts our students. God knows, I&#8217;d like costcutting. The impact on my family of raises in school taxes has been ridiculous, for reasons I won&#8217;t go into, here. But I saw the consolidation we&#8217;ve previously undergone having a largely negative impact on student outcome, and that makes me cautious. </p>
<p>Consolidation assumes that 3/4 of our current administrative staff is superfluous. I just find that hard to credit. I&#8217;m picturing, frankly, &#8220;District offices&#8221; that rise from the plain like Ship Rock, visible for miles, a monument to monopoly in education. Worries me.</p>
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		<title>By: pandora</title>
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		<dc:creator>pandora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brooke, we&#039;re not that far apart.  I do believe I said that one of the biggest lies in education is &quot;we want parent involvement.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brooke, we&#8217;re not that far apart.  I do believe I said that one of the biggest lies in education is &#8220;we want parent involvement.&#8221;</p>
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