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		<title>By: Geezer</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/30/monday-open-thread-12/comment-page-1/#comment-162504</link>
		<dc:creator>Geezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I now have hope that the current newsroom leadership will not lazily report that Mike Castle is a “moderate.”

Let&#039;s see if they take JM&#039;s suggestion and quote &quot;the base&quot; calling him a RINO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I now have hope that the current newsroom leadership will not lazily report that Mike Castle is a “moderate.”</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see if they take JM&#8217;s suggestion and quote &#8220;the base&#8221; calling him a RINO.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Joe Biden won 7 statewide elections; Castle’s won 12.&quot;

That&#039;s just the difference between the Senate and the House - 6-year-terms vs. 2-year-terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Joe Biden won 7 statewide elections; Castle’s won 12.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s just the difference between the Senate and the House &#8211; 6-year-terms vs. 2-year-terms.</p>
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		<title>By: Geezer</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/30/monday-open-thread-12/comment-page-1/#comment-162500</link>
		<dc:creator>Geezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could post a point-by-point response, but it would bore too many people (I already wrote it, and that&#039;s my judgment after re-reading it). But let&#039;s just say this: The only valid sentence in your post is the last one. Which is a far cry from saying that some sort of malicious intent was involved. 

You want input into the end result, involve yourself in the process. The newspaper is under no obligation -- despite your apparent belief -- to treat Beau differently because he hasn&#039;t declared himself. Nor is it under any obligation to carry your water by taking up your suggestions for an article critical of Castle. You want the advertising department, not editorial. What&#039;s wrong, can&#039;t find a union to pay for a page? Don&#039;t worry, you will.

The question you should be asking is why Barrish is the third reporter to write basically the same article? Gibson wrote one, Montgomery wrote one, now Barrish is apparently on the beat. The story is thin, exactly as you&#039;d expect if someone were suddenly tossed into the beat. It&#039;s pretty standard in such a case to do a round of interviews to introduce yourself to the campaigns, and at what&#039;s left of TNJ, the editors would want to produce an article from that process. I grant you it&#039;s a thin article and probably not worth the ink spent to print it, never mind the paper. 

If you want the full response to your persistent pro-Biden progaganda, let me know.

Oh, for the record: I have never, to my recollection, ever gone out (or in) drinking with Cris Barrish, unless you count our mutual presence at bars in Wilmington 25 or so years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could post a point-by-point response, but it would bore too many people (I already wrote it, and that&#8217;s my judgment after re-reading it). But let&#8217;s just say this: The only valid sentence in your post is the last one. Which is a far cry from saying that some sort of malicious intent was involved. </p>
<p>You want input into the end result, involve yourself in the process. The newspaper is under no obligation &#8212; despite your apparent belief &#8212; to treat Beau differently because he hasn&#8217;t declared himself. Nor is it under any obligation to carry your water by taking up your suggestions for an article critical of Castle. You want the advertising department, not editorial. What&#8217;s wrong, can&#8217;t find a union to pay for a page? Don&#8217;t worry, you will.</p>
<p>The question you should be asking is why Barrish is the third reporter to write basically the same article? Gibson wrote one, Montgomery wrote one, now Barrish is apparently on the beat. The story is thin, exactly as you&#8217;d expect if someone were suddenly tossed into the beat. It&#8217;s pretty standard in such a case to do a round of interviews to introduce yourself to the campaigns, and at what&#8217;s left of TNJ, the editors would want to produce an article from that process. I grant you it&#8217;s a thin article and probably not worth the ink spent to print it, never mind the paper. </p>
<p>If you want the full response to your persistent pro-Biden progaganda, let me know.</p>
<p>Oh, for the record: I have never, to my recollection, ever gone out (or in) drinking with Cris Barrish, unless you count our mutual presence at bars in Wilmington 25 or so years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does knowing that Chelsea&#039;s fiance is a Goldman Sachs investment banker temper your joy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does knowing that Chelsea&#8217;s fiance is a Goldman Sachs investment banker temper your joy?</p>
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		<title>By: John Manifold</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Manifold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh.  Geezer erupts in defense of his drinking buddies.  Let us start where a decent teacher, editor or other form of adult supervision might.

1.  Biden machine?  Please describe.  Joe Biden won 7 statewide elections; Castle&#039;s won 12.  What is this &quot;machine&quot; and of what is it made?  The old man has not faced serious opposition since 1984.  One might say that the &quot;machine&quot; has been more apparent than real.

2.  Castle faces a &quot;monumental battle?&quot;  The last standing member of the Greenville Gang running an uphill battle?  What source other than Ferris Wharton?  There might be a good article about the state of the GOP, which has a declared candidate.  How popular is Castle with &quot;the base?&quot;  How many years since he held an in-state fund-raiser?  Has his voting record moved to the right?

3.  Cris wants to write an issue-free horse-race article on an undeclared candidate [Any mention of the Stupak Amendment? Castle&#039;s votes on anything?] and he&#039;s upset that &quot;the Bidens and their inner circle won&#039;t talk about how a race might unfold.&quot;  

4.  Why won&#039;t Wharton run against Biden?  [Hint: he&#039;s lazier than Barrish.]

5.  Any analysis of fund-raising?  Voting records?  Who&#039;s been getting support from which interest groups?

A minor league article from a minor league newspaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh.  Geezer erupts in defense of his drinking buddies.  Let us start where a decent teacher, editor or other form of adult supervision might.</p>
<p>1.  Biden machine?  Please describe.  Joe Biden won 7 statewide elections; Castle&#8217;s won 12.  What is this &#8220;machine&#8221; and of what is it made?  The old man has not faced serious opposition since 1984.  One might say that the &#8220;machine&#8221; has been more apparent than real.</p>
<p>2.  Castle faces a &#8220;monumental battle?&#8221;  The last standing member of the Greenville Gang running an uphill battle?  What source other than Ferris Wharton?  There might be a good article about the state of the GOP, which has a declared candidate.  How popular is Castle with &#8220;the base?&#8221;  How many years since he held an in-state fund-raiser?  Has his voting record moved to the right?</p>
<p>3.  Cris wants to write an issue-free horse-race article on an undeclared candidate [Any mention of the Stupak Amendment? Castle's votes on anything?] and he&#8217;s upset that &#8220;the Bidens and their inner circle won&#8217;t talk about how a race might unfold.&#8221;  </p>
<p>4.  Why won&#8217;t Wharton run against Biden?  [Hint: he's lazier than Barrish.]</p>
<p>5.  Any analysis of fund-raising?  Voting records?  Who&#8217;s been getting support from which interest groups?</p>
<p>A minor league article from a minor league newspaper.</p>
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		<title>By: jason330</title>
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		<dc:creator>jason330</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geezer, 

I now have hope that the current newsroom leadership will not lazily report that Mike Castle is a &quot;moderate.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geezer, </p>
<p>I now have hope that the current newsroom leadership will not lazily report that Mike Castle is a &#8220;moderate.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: cassandra_m</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/30/monday-open-thread-12/comment-page-1/#comment-162466</link>
		<dc:creator>cassandra_m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Via Twitter (I can&#039;t believe I just wrote that) the PPP people said that they are in the field now with their Delaware Biden vs Castle poll and so far their results don&#039;t look much different from their March poll when Castle was up by 8.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Via Twitter (I can&#8217;t believe I just wrote that) the PPP people said that they are in the field now with their Delaware Biden vs Castle poll and so far their results don&#8217;t look much different from their March poll when Castle was up by 8.</p>
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		<title>By: Geezer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that my spleen is vented, a couple of points of journalistic background to better understand the motives of the article:

1) As noted previously, it&#039;s pretty easy for the Castle people to charge that the newspaper is in the tank for the Bidens. There&#039;s lots of sales of that book to prove it. It behooves the newspaper to cover the race from both sides, even if...

2) One side decides to play coy and refuses to make any of the little cloister of Bidens available for an interview. This is the sort of chickenshit the Bidens have pulled for years, but they&#039;re not going to get away with it under current newsroom leadership. The current executive editor is not a career Gannettoid with ambitions of going up the ladder -- he&#039;s an actual journalist-turned-editor who has been around the block both in and out of the company. At root, Joe Biden is a Hicksville back-slapper trying to prove he&#039;s not dumb just because he couldn&#039;t finish in the top half of his law-school class, and will never really live down that he got caught lying about it. That&#039;s why his reputation as a &quot;straight talker&quot; is out-and-out laughable. Half the time he doesn&#039;t even know the truth, let alone speak it.

In a battle of Joe Biden and Valerie Owens vs. David Ledford, I would take Ledford and the points. He showed why by running the article despite the lack of access. Maybe next time they&#039;ll decide to be straight with the public. But probably not, because they&#039;re nothing if not arrogant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that my spleen is vented, a couple of points of journalistic background to better understand the motives of the article:</p>
<p>1) As noted previously, it&#8217;s pretty easy for the Castle people to charge that the newspaper is in the tank for the Bidens. There&#8217;s lots of sales of that book to prove it. It behooves the newspaper to cover the race from both sides, even if&#8230;</p>
<p>2) One side decides to play coy and refuses to make any of the little cloister of Bidens available for an interview. This is the sort of chickenshit the Bidens have pulled for years, but they&#8217;re not going to get away with it under current newsroom leadership. The current executive editor is not a career Gannettoid with ambitions of going up the ladder &#8212; he&#8217;s an actual journalist-turned-editor who has been around the block both in and out of the company. At root, Joe Biden is a Hicksville back-slapper trying to prove he&#8217;s not dumb just because he couldn&#8217;t finish in the top half of his law-school class, and will never really live down that he got caught lying about it. That&#8217;s why his reputation as a &#8220;straight talker&#8221; is out-and-out laughable. Half the time he doesn&#8217;t even know the truth, let alone speak it.</p>
<p>In a battle of Joe Biden and Valerie Owens vs. David Ledford, I would take Ledford and the points. He showed why by running the article despite the lack of access. Maybe next time they&#8217;ll decide to be straight with the public. But probably not, because they&#8217;re nothing if not arrogant.</p>
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		<title>By: Geezer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Barrish chooses to lip-synch GOP talking points.&quot;

Which ones did he not attribute? I just re-read to make sure I didn&#039;t miss something the first time. Not one thing in there that&#039;s not attributed to someone. So once more we get John Manifold fondling his stiffie over the Bidens by smearing someone else. Peddle your horse manure among the morons, John. There&#039;s not a word in there that isn&#039;t true, including the little bullshit move Joey II pulled at the fire-company dinner, and you know it.

And let&#039;s not make this about the fact that I can&#039;t keep a civil tongue around rectum-massaging whores like you. You&#039;re full of shit, and it&#039;s tiring to have to correct you every time you open your mouth and more spills out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Barrish chooses to lip-synch GOP talking points.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which ones did he not attribute? I just re-read to make sure I didn&#8217;t miss something the first time. Not one thing in there that&#8217;s not attributed to someone. So once more we get John Manifold fondling his stiffie over the Bidens by smearing someone else. Peddle your horse manure among the morons, John. There&#8217;s not a word in there that isn&#8217;t true, including the little bullshit move Joey II pulled at the fire-company dinner, and you know it.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not make this about the fact that I can&#8217;t keep a civil tongue around rectum-massaging whores like you. You&#8217;re full of shit, and it&#8217;s tiring to have to correct you every time you open your mouth and more spills out.</p>
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		<title>By: jason330</title>
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		<dc:creator>jason330</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Beck is lying in a gutter and his assholery posing as political commentary has run its course, I&#039;m sure he will say that he was only kidding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Beck is lying in a gutter and his assholery posing as political commentary has run its course, I&#8217;m sure he will say that he was only kidding.</p>
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		<title>By: Unstable Isotope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unstable Isotope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/30/beck-responds-palin-sexism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I totally called it!&lt;/a&gt;  Glenn Beck said his remarks about Palin were just a joke and that liberals just don&#039;t get the funny.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Today, Beck responded to our post on his website, saying his comments were a “joke” and that the media’s response was “predictable”:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The point, of course, was completely lost on liberal blogs who then immediately jumped to report on it, as if Glenn were just making a crass joke and hates women. It’s so satisfying when they take the bait.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Beck’s site says he was simply acting out “evil conservative stereotypes” and that he was obviously joking because he’s an “overweight former alcoholic talk show host” and Palin is an “accomplished governor.” But why is Beck so willing to condemn Newsweek as sexist for running a cover photo of Palin that she agreed to pose for, yet give himself a complete pass for an overtly sexist “joke” on air? It’s telling that Beck, who has a history of making sexist comments, even thinks his Palin joke is funny.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/30/beck-responds-palin-sexism/" rel="nofollow">I totally called it!</a>  Glenn Beck said his remarks about Palin were just a joke and that liberals just don&#8217;t get the funny.</p>
<blockquote><p>Today, Beck responded to our post on his website, saying his comments were a “joke” and that the media’s response was “predictable”:</p>
<blockquote><p>The point, of course, was completely lost on liberal blogs who then immediately jumped to report on it, as if Glenn were just making a crass joke and hates women. It’s so satisfying when they take the bait.</p></blockquote>
<p>Beck’s site says he was simply acting out “evil conservative stereotypes” and that he was obviously joking because he’s an “overweight former alcoholic talk show host” and Palin is an “accomplished governor.” But why is Beck so willing to condemn Newsweek as sexist for running a cover photo of Palin that she agreed to pose for, yet give himself a complete pass for an overtly sexist “joke” on air? It’s telling that Beck, who has a history of making sexist comments, even thinks his Palin joke is funny.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: jason330</title>
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		<dc:creator>jason330</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of gun nuts.   I&#039;m just catching up, but being armed didn&#039;t seem to help those cops in Seattle.  So much for the gun nut talking point that if everyone was armed to the teeth, this country would be a courteous and tranquil paradise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of gun nuts.   I&#8217;m just catching up, but being armed didn&#8217;t seem to help those cops in Seattle.  So much for the gun nut talking point that if everyone was armed to the teeth, this country would be a courteous and tranquil paradise.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@5:12 ... CRI&#039;s &quot;investigative reporter&quot; is a gun nut. There&#039;s a photo of him online somewhere just happy as a clam firing away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@5:12 &#8230; CRI&#8217;s &#8220;investigative reporter&#8221; is a gun nut. There&#8217;s a photo of him online somewhere just happy as a clam firing away.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some of them snuck out:

http://wwww.examiner.com/ExaminerSlideshow.html?entryid=795360&amp;slide=2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some of them snuck out:</p>
<p><a href="http://wwww.examiner.com/ExaminerSlideshow.html?entryid=795360&amp;slide=2" rel="nofollow">http://wwww.examiner.com/ExaminerSlideshow.html?entryid=795360&amp;slide=2</a></p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just took a look at the CRI blog. Half the content is gun-nut press releases. WTF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just took a look at the CRI blog. Half the content is gun-nut press releases. WTF?</p>
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