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		<title>By: gecko</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/27/black-friday-open-thread/#comment-162567</link>
		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Willis Eschenbach has a guest post up on Watts Up With That that is VERY significant.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/29/when-results-go-bad/

He found e-mail correspondence between Phil Jones and Professor Wibjorn Karlen.

Professor Karlen plotted historical temperature data from the Nordic region, available from a source other than CRU, and compared that to the temperature plots for the same region produced by the IPCC, based on CRU data.

Karlen could not find the same extent of late 20th century warming as the IPCC, and asked Jones about it. Jones just blew him off.

Karlen extended his investigations to other parts of the world, and found the same thing in each case – that the temperatures reported by the IPCC were exaggerated when compared to temperature reported by other sources – national and regional organizations. Jones blew him off again. 

It seems inescapable that CRU’s depradations include faking the temperature record to show warming higher than it really is.

On further investigation, Eschenbach also found that the CRU datasets include stations in major cities around the world, which builds in the Urban Heat Island effect to bias the temperatures upward. 

This another hammer blow, and is likely to be replicated as other similar discoveries are made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willis Eschenbach has a guest post up on Watts Up With That that is VERY significant.</p>
<p><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/29/when-results-go-bad/" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/29/when-results-go-bad/</a></p>
<p>He found e-mail correspondence between Phil Jones and Professor Wibjorn Karlen.</p>
<p>Professor Karlen plotted historical temperature data from the Nordic region, available from a source other than CRU, and compared that to the temperature plots for the same region produced by the IPCC, based on CRU data.</p>
<p>Karlen could not find the same extent of late 20th century warming as the IPCC, and asked Jones about it. Jones just blew him off.</p>
<p>Karlen extended his investigations to other parts of the world, and found the same thing in each case – that the temperatures reported by the IPCC were exaggerated when compared to temperature reported by other sources – national and regional organizations. Jones blew him off again. </p>
<p>It seems inescapable that CRU’s depradations include faking the temperature record to show warming higher than it really is.</p>
<p>On further investigation, Eschenbach also found that the CRU datasets include stations in major cities around the world, which builds in the Urban Heat Island effect to bias the temperatures upward. </p>
<p>This another hammer blow, and is likely to be replicated as other similar discoveries are made.</p>
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		<title>By: cassandra_m</title>
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		<dc:creator>cassandra_m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way to declare your &quot;principles&quot;, Mr. Fry Station.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to declare your &#8220;principles&#8221;, Mr. Fry Station.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who needs data when you have dogma, thow that old sutff out, our moddel works much better without it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who needs data when you have dogma, thow that old sutff out, our moddel works much better without it!</p>
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		<title>By: nemski</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/27/black-friday-open-thread/#comment-162528</link>
		<dc:creator>nemski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geezer, a great story with hyperlinks that debunks seven major arguments of climate denialists.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=seven-answers-to-climate-contrarian-nonsense</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geezer, a great story with hyperlinks that debunks seven major arguments of climate denialists.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=seven-answers-to-climate-contrarian-nonsense" rel="nofollow">http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=seven-answers-to-climate-contrarian-nonsense</a></p>
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		<title>By: Geezer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite part of all this is the charge that climate scientist want to falsify data so they keep getting grants. When the side with some real money at stake -- this should be so obvious even conservatives couldn&#039;t miss it -- are the players in the fossil fuel industry, which has hundreds of trillions of dollars of mineral wealth waiting to be pumped and mined.

Which group has a greater financial stake, lizardo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite part of all this is the charge that climate scientist want to falsify data so they keep getting grants. When the side with some real money at stake &#8212; this should be so obvious even conservatives couldn&#8217;t miss it &#8212; are the players in the fossil fuel industry, which has hundreds of trillions of dollars of mineral wealth waiting to be pumped and mined.</p>
<p>Which group has a greater financial stake, lizardo?</p>
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		<title>By: nemski</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/27/black-friday-open-thread/#comment-162520</link>
		<dc:creator>nemski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s fun watching lizard post story after story about &quot;climategate&quot; without any understanding of what is going on.

For fun, I&#039;ll talk about dumping data. Anyone with a bigger brain than a lizard knows that plenty of data is dumped (or as we like to call it in the data business, rejected) because it doesn&#039;t meet certain standards. These standards or business rules are set up to remove erroneous data such as a book priced at $1 million or a congressional district that doesn&#039;t exist. This stuff happens every day and to think otherwise just shows a lizard-like ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s fun watching lizard post story after story about &#8220;climategate&#8221; without any understanding of what is going on.</p>
<p>For fun, I&#8217;ll talk about dumping data. Anyone with a bigger brain than a lizard knows that plenty of data is dumped (or as we like to call it in the data business, rejected) because it doesn&#8217;t meet certain standards. These standards or business rules are set up to remove erroneous data such as a book priced at $1 million or a congressional district that doesn&#8217;t exist. This stuff happens every day and to think otherwise just shows a lizard-like ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Geezer</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/27/black-friday-open-thread/#comment-162517</link>
		<dc:creator>Geezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Priceless. They eat their own and call it victory. Your namesake lizard has more brains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Priceless. They eat their own and call it victory. Your namesake lizard has more brains.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Climategate claims its first big political scalp (Australia)

The Telegraph ^ &#124; 12/1/2009 &#124; James Delingpole
Australian conservatives have shown the way by dumping the party leader who was in favour of massive carbon taxes and replacing him with one who stated last month that AGW is “crap.”This makes Malcolm Turnbull, the suddenly-ex-leader of Australia’s Liberal party, the first major political victim of the Climategate furore. And his replacement Tony Abbott, the first politician to reap the benefits of the world’s growing scepticism towards ManBearPig. Of the three candidates, he was the only one committed to delaying the Australian government’s proposed Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS).The trouble began last week when Australia’s opposition Liberal party began haemorrhaging...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Climategate claims its first big political scalp (Australia)</p>
<p>The Telegraph ^ | 12/1/2009 | James Delingpole<br />
Australian conservatives have shown the way by dumping the party leader who was in favour of massive carbon taxes and replacing him with one who stated last month that AGW is “crap.”This makes Malcolm Turnbull, the suddenly-ex-leader of Australia’s Liberal party, the first major political victim of the Climategate furore. And his replacement Tony Abbott, the first politician to reap the benefits of the world’s growing scepticism towards ManBearPig. Of the three candidates, he was the only one committed to delaying the Australian government’s proposed Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS).The trouble began last week when Australia’s opposition Liberal party began haemorrhaging&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/27/black-friday-open-thread/#comment-162305</link>
		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Mann first of climate change scientists to be investigated
 
Examiner ^ &#124; November 29, 2009 &#124; Tony Hake

The fallout from the Climategate event continues as one of its primary participants, Dr. Michael Mann, is to be investigated by his employer, Penn State University. Among the more than one thousand emails released on the Internet, Mann featured prominently in many of them oftentimes making rather controversial comments. Mann serves as the director of the Earth System Science Center at Penn State and has long been one of the more controversial figures in the debate about manmade climate change. He is the author of the infamous ‘hockey stick’ graph which was used by Al Gore in “An Inconvenient Truth”...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Mann first of climate change scientists to be investigated</p>
<p>Examiner ^ | November 29, 2009 | Tony Hake</p>
<p>The fallout from the Climategate event continues as one of its primary participants, Dr. Michael Mann, is to be investigated by his employer, Penn State University. Among the more than one thousand emails released on the Internet, Mann featured prominently in many of them oftentimes making rather controversial comments. Mann serves as the director of the Earth System Science Center at Penn State and has long been one of the more controversial figures in the debate about manmade climate change. He is the author of the infamous ‘hockey stick’ graph which was used by Al Gore in “An Inconvenient Truth”&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Climate Change Data Dumped

Timesonline ^ &#124; November 29, 2009 &#124; Jonathan Leake
SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based. It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years....In a statement on its website, the CRU said: “We do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (quality controlled and homogenised) data.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Climate Change Data Dumped</p>
<p>Timesonline ^ | November 29, 2009 | Jonathan Leake<br />
SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based. It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years&#8230;.In a statement on its website, the CRU said: “We do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (quality controlled and homogenised) data.”</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to Kohl&#039;s in Dover for Black Friday, then we stopped at Walmart in Camden (what a zoo) because the store we wanted to go to wasn&#039;t open yet (Tractor Supply Co.).  Then we went home to get the kiddo, who had finally gotten up - and went to the VANS store to get him some skinny jeans for BOGOHO (30 bucks for two pair of pants for a 15 year old - what a steal) and then we had breakfast at IHOP.  Oh yeah, stopped at Lowes too.  We didn&#039;t spend a lot of money at all...and we only bought what we knew we would get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to Kohl&#8217;s in Dover for Black Friday, then we stopped at Walmart in Camden (what a zoo) because the store we wanted to go to wasn&#8217;t open yet (Tractor Supply Co.).  Then we went home to get the kiddo, who had finally gotten up &#8211; and went to the VANS store to get him some skinny jeans for BOGOHO (30 bucks for two pair of pants for a 15 year old &#8211; what a steal) and then we had breakfast at IHOP.  Oh yeah, stopped at Lowes too.  We didn&#8217;t spend a lot of money at all&#8230;and we only bought what we knew we would get.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/27/black-friday-open-thread/#comment-162227</link>
		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sing along at home:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk

Hide The Decline</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sing along at home:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk</a></p>
<p>Hide The Decline</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/27/black-friday-open-thread/#comment-162224</link>
		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And that&#039;s what Andrew Revkin did, week in, week out: He took the words out of Michael Mann&#039;s mouth and served them up to impressionable readers of the New York Times and opportunist politicians around the world champing at the bit to inaugurate a vast global regulatory body to confiscate trillions of dollars of your hard-earned wealth in the cause of &quot;saving the planet&quot; from an imaginary crisis concocted by a few dozen thuggish ideologues. If you fall for this after the revelations of the past week, you&#039;re as big a dupe as Begley or Revkin.

&quot;Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?&quot; wondered Juvenal: Who watches the watchmen? But the beauty of the climate-change tree-ring circus is that you never need to ask &quot;Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?&quot; Mann peer-reviewed Jones, and Jones peer-reviewed Mann, and anyone who questioned their theories got exiled to the unwarmed wastes of Siberia. The &quot;consensus&quot; warm-mongers could have declared it only counts as &quot;peer-reviewed&quot; if it&#039;s published in Peer-Reviewed Studies published by Mann &amp; Jones Publishing Inc. (Peermate of the Month: Al Gore, reclining naked, draped in dead polar bear fur, on a melting ice floe), and Ed Begley Jr. and &quot;Andy&quot; Revkin would still have wandered out, glassy-eyed, into the streets droning &quot;Peer-reviewed studies. Cannot question. Peer-reviewed studies. The science is settled ... .&quot;

Looking forward to Copenhagen, Herman Van Rumpoy, the new president of the European Union and an eager proponent of the ecopalypse, says 2009 is &quot;the first year of global governance.&quot; Global government, huh? I wonder where you go to vote them out of office. Hey, but don&#039;t worry, it&#039;ll all be &quot;peer-reviewed.&quot;

©MARK STEYN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that&#8217;s what Andrew Revkin did, week in, week out: He took the words out of Michael Mann&#8217;s mouth and served them up to impressionable readers of the New York Times and opportunist politicians around the world champing at the bit to inaugurate a vast global regulatory body to confiscate trillions of dollars of your hard-earned wealth in the cause of &#8220;saving the planet&#8221; from an imaginary crisis concocted by a few dozen thuggish ideologues. If you fall for this after the revelations of the past week, you&#8217;re as big a dupe as Begley or Revkin.</p>
<p>&#8220;Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?&#8221; wondered Juvenal: Who watches the watchmen? But the beauty of the climate-change tree-ring circus is that you never need to ask &#8220;Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?&#8221; Mann peer-reviewed Jones, and Jones peer-reviewed Mann, and anyone who questioned their theories got exiled to the unwarmed wastes of Siberia. The &#8220;consensus&#8221; warm-mongers could have declared it only counts as &#8220;peer-reviewed&#8221; if it&#8217;s published in Peer-Reviewed Studies published by Mann &amp; Jones Publishing Inc. (Peermate of the Month: Al Gore, reclining naked, draped in dead polar bear fur, on a melting ice floe), and Ed Begley Jr. and &#8220;Andy&#8221; Revkin would still have wandered out, glassy-eyed, into the streets droning &#8220;Peer-reviewed studies. Cannot question. Peer-reviewed studies. The science is settled &#8230; .&#8221;</p>
<p>Looking forward to Copenhagen, Herman Van Rumpoy, the new president of the European Union and an eager proponent of the ecopalypse, says 2009 is &#8220;the first year of global governance.&#8221; Global government, huh? I wonder where you go to vote them out of office. Hey, but don&#8217;t worry, it&#8217;ll all be &#8220;peer-reviewed.&#8221;</p>
<p>©MARK STEYN</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopes rise for climate talks as rich countries ante up

Taipei Times ^ &#124; November 29, 2009
Hopes suddenly rose on Friday that a new global climate pact was within reach after rich nations attending a Commonwealth summit in the capital of Trinidad offered to pay poorer countries to help seal the deal. “Success in Copenhagen is in sight,” UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said By showing willingness to meet “the need for money on the table,” it was now “realistic” to expect Copenhagen to result in the framework for a treaty to succeed the Kyoto Protocol that expires in 2012, Rasmussen said. Copenhagen will not be a talk shop,” Ban said. 

it&#039;s all  about the money...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopes rise for climate talks as rich countries ante up</p>
<p>Taipei Times ^ | November 29, 2009<br />
Hopes suddenly rose on Friday that a new global climate pact was within reach after rich nations attending a Commonwealth summit in the capital of Trinidad offered to pay poorer countries to help seal the deal. “Success in Copenhagen is in sight,” UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said By showing willingness to meet “the need for money on the table,” it was now “realistic” to expect Copenhagen to result in the framework for a treaty to succeed the Kyoto Protocol that expires in 2012, Rasmussen said. Copenhagen will not be a talk shop,” Ban said. </p>
<p>it&#8217;s all  about the money&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UN scientists turn on each other: Zorita &quot;Colleagues should be barred from the IPCC process.&quot;

Climate Depot ^ &#124; November 27, 2009 &#124; Marc Morano
A UN scientist is declaring that his three fellow UN climate panel colleagues &quot;should be barred from the IPCC process.&quot; In a November 26, 2009 message on his website, UN IPCC contributing author Dr. Eduardo Zorita writes: &quot;CRU files: Why I think that Michael Mann, Phil Jones and Stefan Rahmstorf should be barred from the IPCC process.&quot; Zorita writes that the short answer to that question is: Short answer: &quot;Because the scientific assessments in which they may take part are not credible anymore.&quot; Zorita indicates that he is aware that he is putting his career in jeopardy by going after...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UN scientists turn on each other: Zorita &#8220;Colleagues should be barred from the IPCC process.&#8221;</p>
<p>Climate Depot ^ | November 27, 2009 | Marc Morano<br />
A UN scientist is declaring that his three fellow UN climate panel colleagues &#8220;should be barred from the IPCC process.&#8221; In a November 26, 2009 message on his website, UN IPCC contributing author Dr. Eduardo Zorita writes: &#8220;CRU files: Why I think that Michael Mann, Phil Jones and Stefan Rahmstorf should be barred from the IPCC process.&#8221; Zorita writes that the short answer to that question is: Short answer: &#8220;Because the scientific assessments in which they may take part are not credible anymore.&#8221; Zorita indicates that he is aware that he is putting his career in jeopardy by going after&#8230;</p>
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