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		<title>By: Unstable Isotope</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/19/ny-23-fighting-the-forces-of-evil/#comment-161174</link>
		<dc:creator>Unstable Isotope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://washingtonindependent.com/68457/ny-23-owens-builds-up-his-lead&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Update on the absentee ballot count&lt;/a&gt;, it&#039;s now mathematically impossible for Hoffman to win.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Jude Seymour has updated numbers that basically end the race (again) for Hoffman–Owens leads by 3,105 votes with only 3,072 absentee ballots outstanding. And that’s with no absentee ballots from Essex, Franklin and St. Lawrence Counties, which went for Owens on election day.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/68457/ny-23-owens-builds-up-his-lead" rel="nofollow">Update on the absentee ballot count</a>, it&#8217;s now mathematically impossible for Hoffman to win.</p>
<blockquote><p>Jude Seymour has updated numbers that basically end the race (again) for Hoffman–Owens leads by 3,105 votes with only 3,072 absentee ballots outstanding. And that’s with no absentee ballots from Essex, Franklin and St. Lawrence Counties, which went for Owens on election day.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No a. price, I can&#039;t stomach that either.

On the local level, you find candidates who are willing to wear out a lot of shoe leather and knock on doors until their knuckles bleed. People in Delaware vote for candidates they have met. It doesn&#039;t always work but most of the time it does.  

At the national level you keep whipping up the grassroots, because word of mouth from a friend or family member trumps all the lies and schenanigans the other side can dish out.

It just takes work, there&#039;s no other way.   So start gearing up for next Thursday&#039;s dinner table debate.  You can make a difference -- Howard Dean said so.  ;o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No a. price, I can&#8217;t stomach that either.</p>
<p>On the local level, you find candidates who are willing to wear out a lot of shoe leather and knock on doors until their knuckles bleed. People in Delaware vote for candidates they have met. It doesn&#8217;t always work but most of the time it does.  </p>
<p>At the national level you keep whipping up the grassroots, because word of mouth from a friend or family member trumps all the lies and schenanigans the other side can dish out.</p>
<p>It just takes work, there&#8217;s no other way.   So start gearing up for next Thursday&#8217;s dinner table debate.  You can make a difference &#8212; Howard Dean said so.  ;o)</p>
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		<title>By: a.price</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/19/ny-23-fighting-the-forces-of-evil/#comment-161129</link>
		<dc:creator>a.price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so what do we do?  resort to their gutter tactics? use lies and hate mongering to get votes?   no thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so what do we do?  resort to their gutter tactics? use lies and hate mongering to get votes?   no thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/19/ny-23-fighting-the-forces-of-evil/#comment-161120</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a.price,
You can slice and dice the population into minority groups and other subsets and you are right -- they all show up on both sides of the bell curve.  

But we were talking about how Republicans get Sarah Palin to bring out voters.  

Then, there is also the phenomenom that V and xstryker describe above.  The wannabe&#039;s.  I live in an area where the R&#039;s prevail, all the time, and the district tends to be college educated and moderately well-off.  These people obviously fall to the right of the bell curve but vote R because someday they just might be rich or they think they are rich already.  Believe me they aren&#039;t.  Ya gotta go up to Chateau County to find rich people.  These folks have delusions of grandeur.  

So carve out the minority groups on the left, but carve out the wannabes on the right.  And factor in that the wannabes vote -- 73% turn-out in my district, consistently.  

I had a point with this.  Oh yeah!  We can&#039;t just rely on shifting demographics to win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a.price,<br />
You can slice and dice the population into minority groups and other subsets and you are right &#8212; they all show up on both sides of the bell curve.  </p>
<p>But we were talking about how Republicans get Sarah Palin to bring out voters.  </p>
<p>Then, there is also the phenomenom that V and xstryker describe above.  The wannabe&#8217;s.  I live in an area where the R&#8217;s prevail, all the time, and the district tends to be college educated and moderately well-off.  These people obviously fall to the right of the bell curve but vote R because someday they just might be rich or they think they are rich already.  Believe me they aren&#8217;t.  Ya gotta go up to Chateau County to find rich people.  These folks have delusions of grandeur.  </p>
<p>So carve out the minority groups on the left, but carve out the wannabes on the right.  And factor in that the wannabes vote &#8212; 73% turn-out in my district, consistently.  </p>
<p>I had a point with this.  Oh yeah!  We can&#8217;t just rely on shifting demographics to win.</p>
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		<title>By: a.price</title>
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		<dc:creator>a.price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;because they want to believe that someday, they’ll be the ones with all the money screwing over everyone else.&quot;
Good American Christian ideals if ever there were any.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;because they want to believe that someday, they’ll be the ones with all the money screwing over everyone else.&#8221;<br />
Good American Christian ideals if ever there were any.</p>
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		<title>By: Progressive Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Progressive Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming late, but back on thread...

The Working Families Party in NY almost always runs a candidate on its line from one of the two major parties.  It&#039;s not a &quot;far left&quot; party (as evidenced by the fact that is has hosted Scozzofava, a Republican, on its line).  It has a narrow list of interests and whatever major party candidate gets sufficient points gets the nod.

It is, of course, not a consequential vote getter.  It is not the only alternative-party regularly on the ballot in NY, either.

And it has nothing to do with ACORN.  

But let&#039;s not have facts get in the way -- I noticed that RepublicanDavid hijacked this thread nicely and never came back.

Tiring, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming late, but back on thread&#8230;</p>
<p>The Working Families Party in NY almost always runs a candidate on its line from one of the two major parties.  It&#8217;s not a &#8220;far left&#8221; party (as evidenced by the fact that is has hosted Scozzofava, a Republican, on its line).  It has a narrow list of interests and whatever major party candidate gets sufficient points gets the nod.</p>
<p>It is, of course, not a consequential vote getter.  It is not the only alternative-party regularly on the ballot in NY, either.</p>
<p>And it has nothing to do with ACORN.  </p>
<p>But let&#8217;s not have facts get in the way &#8212; I noticed that RepublicanDavid hijacked this thread nicely and never came back.</p>
<p>Tiring, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: xstryker</title>
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		<dc:creator>xstryker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s like Lotto. Lotto is a tax on people who are bad at math. Sarah Palin appeals to people who want to believe that just about any idiot, including themselves, could be president. Republican administrations are always supported by huge masses of people who are willing to screw themselves over because they want to believe that someday, they&#039;ll be the ones with all the money screwing over everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like Lotto. Lotto is a tax on people who are bad at math. Sarah Palin appeals to people who want to believe that just about any idiot, including themselves, could be president. Republican administrations are always supported by huge masses of people who are willing to screw themselves over because they want to believe that someday, they&#8217;ll be the ones with all the money screwing over everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: V</title>
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		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No seriously look at his head. 

1. It is HUGE
2. His hair is like the same color as his face, giving this creepy aryan nation vibe
3. The huge (weepy) eyes, the big pudgy cheeks and the little rosy pink mouth. It&#039;s like one of those awful CGI tricks where they superimpose a toddler head onto a man&#039;s body.

I literally changed my gym schedule because the YMCA started showing Beck right in front of the elipticals during the time i usually went (even though it was nowhere on the tv watching poll, but that&#039;s another story). I was completely unable to concentrate, totally unnerved by his awkward melonball noggin. 

/rant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No seriously look at his head. </p>
<p>1. It is HUGE<br />
2. His hair is like the same color as his face, giving this creepy aryan nation vibe<br />
3. The huge (weepy) eyes, the big pudgy cheeks and the little rosy pink mouth. It&#8217;s like one of those awful CGI tricks where they superimpose a toddler head onto a man&#8217;s body.</p>
<p>I literally changed my gym schedule because the YMCA started showing Beck right in front of the elipticals during the time i usually went (even though it was nowhere on the tv watching poll, but that&#8217;s another story). I was completely unable to concentrate, totally unnerved by his awkward melonball noggin. </p>
<p>/rant</p>
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		<title>By: V</title>
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		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebecca is EXACTLY right. I have a wingnut friend who often sides with big corporations (lower taxes, less regulation etc.) and it boggles my mind. When I finally got him to explain to me why, it basically reasoned out to &quot;Well what if one day I create something that turns into a multi-million dollar corporation, i wouldn&#039;t want them to tax me.&quot;

My wingnut friend has a high school education and works at Home Depot. He also works two other jobs to pay his bills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca is EXACTLY right. I have a wingnut friend who often sides with big corporations (lower taxes, less regulation etc.) and it boggles my mind. When I finally got him to explain to me why, it basically reasoned out to &#8220;Well what if one day I create something that turns into a multi-million dollar corporation, i wouldn&#8217;t want them to tax me.&#8221;</p>
<p>My wingnut friend has a high school education and works at Home Depot. He also works two other jobs to pay his bills.</p>
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		<title>By: a.price</title>
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		<dc:creator>a.price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;also, Glen Beck has a creepy oversized baby-head.&quot;
i thought we banned slamming people for their unfortunate looks.  does that mean i can call out the giant red sequoias palin calls legs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;also, Glen Beck has a creepy oversized baby-head.&#8221;<br />
i thought we banned slamming people for their unfortunate looks.  does that mean i can call out the giant red sequoias palin calls legs?</p>
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		<title>By: a.price</title>
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		<dc:creator>a.price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im gonna rebut that with one of the most racist things ive ever said... well kinda.. if you choose to be offended :)
Black people are stupid too (not all black people, but the same ratio as whites, or hispanics, etc)   if half plus one of the white idiot vote for Palin, she will still lose, because obama will have the whole &quot;smart white people&quot; vote and the entire minority vote.... which in places like texas and colorado will be the majority by 2012.  this is why the Right is leaning so lustfully toward bloodshed and civil war. They are deciding rightfully or wrongfully that the only way to achieve their sexless, seperate but equal, God humping utopia is through holy war..... sound like anyone else we know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im gonna rebut that with one of the most racist things ive ever said&#8230; well kinda.. if you choose to be offended <img src='http://www.delawareliberal.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Black people are stupid too (not all black people, but the same ratio as whites, or hispanics, etc)   if half plus one of the white idiot vote for Palin, she will still lose, because obama will have the whole &#8220;smart white people&#8221; vote and the entire minority vote&#8230;. which in places like texas and colorado will be the majority by 2012.  this is why the Right is leaning so lustfully toward bloodshed and civil war. They are deciding rightfully or wrongfully that the only way to achieve their sexless, seperate but equal, God humping utopia is through holy war&#8230;.. sound like anyone else we know?</p>
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		<title>By: Unstable Isotope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unstable Isotope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This cracked me up:

&lt;blockquote&gt;also, Glen Beck has a creepy oversized baby-head.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This cracked me up:</p>
<blockquote><p>also, Glen Beck has a creepy oversized baby-head.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/19/ny-23-fighting-the-forces-of-evil/#comment-161100</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several of you read DailyKos but if you haven&#039;t seen Jeffrey Feldman&#039;s diary today you ought to give it a look at:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/11/18/805704/-Dont-Get-Palins-Appeal-Try-a-Little-Harder

Then stop and think.  One half of the population falls to the left of the bellcurve on intelligence.  50%.  You only need to convince them plus one more to win.  

The Republicans have always cynically manipulated these folks, it is part of their party creed.  Because, without these folks there aren&#039;t enough rich people to win elections.  This is their only hope of prevailing.  It&#039;s an AH HAH moment.  It isn&#039;t going to change, whatever they call themselves. The guys pulling the real strings (not the RNC strings) are having a wonderful time with this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several of you read DailyKos but if you haven&#8217;t seen Jeffrey Feldman&#8217;s diary today you ought to give it a look at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/11/18/805704/-Dont-Get-Palins-Appeal-Try-a-Little-Harder" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/11/18/805704/-Dont-Get-Palins-Appeal-Try-a-Little-Harder</a></p>
<p>Then stop and think.  One half of the population falls to the left of the bellcurve on intelligence.  50%.  You only need to convince them plus one more to win.  </p>
<p>The Republicans have always cynically manipulated these folks, it is part of their party creed.  Because, without these folks there aren&#8217;t enough rich people to win elections.  This is their only hope of prevailing.  It&#8217;s an AH HAH moment.  It isn&#8217;t going to change, whatever they call themselves. The guys pulling the real strings (not the RNC strings) are having a wonderful time with this.</p>
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		<title>By: V</title>
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		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no a. because that would mean the Mayans were right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no a. because that would mean the Mayans were right.</p>
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		<title>By: a.price</title>
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		<dc:creator>a.price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh god, i cant think of anything better than Palin/Beck 2012</description>
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