Comments on: Armey Is Building An Army http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/04/armey-is-building-an-army/ Ground zero for all things political in Delaware Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:39:42 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Geezer http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/04/armey-is-building-an-army/#comment-158502 Geezer Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:00:17 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=30983#comment-158502 Another point conservatives whistle past -- the two governors avoided talking about Obama, and indeed ran like moderates (McConnell reacted like he took an acid bath when his thesis for Slackjaw University was made public). The guy who talked the conservative game got 46% of the vote. John McHugh got 63.5% in a blue wave election exactly one year ago. Another point conservatives whistle past — the two governors avoided talking about Obama, and indeed ran like moderates (McConnell reacted like he took an acid bath when his thesis for Slackjaw University was made public). The guy who talked the conservative game got 46% of the vote. John McHugh got 63.5% in a blue wave election exactly one year ago.

]]> By: Geezer http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/04/armey-is-building-an-army/#comment-158499 Geezer Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:51:23 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=30983#comment-158499 Rick Jensen drank more Kool-Aid than you, DC -- he called it an "obscure third party," which the Conservative Party in New York certainly is not. Unlike the governor of New Jersey, the Congresscritter from NY23 will actually get a vote on health care, etc. (though he will almost certainly be a Blue Dog, and therefore is no sure vote). Jon Corzine never topped 45% in any poll during the campaign. Anyone who knows politics -- which rules out most of the conservative commenters here -- will tell you that an incumbent with less than 50% is vulnerable. Heck, most of the folks here are crowing because Mike Castle stands at 49%. Corzine started the race at, I believe, 37%. There was never a reason to believe he would win. Rick Jensen drank more Kool-Aid than you, DC — he called it an “obscure third party,” which the Conservative Party in New York certainly is not.

Unlike the governor of New Jersey, the Congresscritter from NY23 will actually get a vote on health care, etc. (though he will almost certainly be a Blue Dog, and therefore is no sure vote).

Jon Corzine never topped 45% in any poll during the campaign. Anyone who knows politics — which rules out most of the conservative commenters here — will tell you that an incumbent with less than 50% is vulnerable. Heck, most of the folks here are crowing because Mike Castle stands at 49%. Corzine started the race at, I believe, 37%. There was never a reason to believe he would win.

]]> By: Scott P http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/04/armey-is-building-an-army/#comment-158498 Scott P Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:49:05 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=30983#comment-158498 <i>You continue to make the mistake in thinking that we are all Rs or that we particularly care about the Republican Party.</i> Just more evidence that some sort of a split is inevitable. The only question is how much of the GOP does the Conservanut Party peel off. Only a small bit, so that they remain a small fringe and just a pain in the elephant's arse, or enough to make both of them into small, minor, irrelevant parties. When you're done with that popcorn, Pandora, send it over this way. You continue to make the mistake in thinking that we are all Rs or that we particularly care about the Republican Party.

Just more evidence that some sort of a split is inevitable. The only question is how much of the GOP does the Conservanut Party peel off. Only a small bit, so that they remain a small fringe and just a pain in the elephant’s arse, or enough to make both of them into small, minor, irrelevant parties. When you’re done with that popcorn, Pandora, send it over this way.

]]> By: Scott P http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/04/armey-is-building-an-army/#comment-158494 Scott P Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:42:26 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=30983#comment-158494 <i>This seems like a much bigger story than a THIRD PARTY candidate losing an election up in NY.</i> Not surprisingly, D.C. either willfully or ignorantly entirely misses the point. The story wasn't that Hoffman lost, the story was that Scozzafava (and the Republican Party) lost. She almost certainly would have won, if it weren't for <strike>those meddling kids</strike> Hoffman and the teabag brigade. Through pretty vicious infighting, they gave away a comfortable seat. This seems like a much bigger story than a THIRD PARTY candidate losing an election up in NY.

Not surprisingly, D.C. either willfully or ignorantly entirely misses the point. The story wasn’t that Hoffman lost, the story was that Scozzafava (and the Republican Party) lost. She almost certainly would have won, if it weren’t for those meddling kids Hoffman and the teabag brigade. Through pretty vicious infighting, they gave away a comfortable seat.

]]> By: xstryker http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/04/armey-is-building-an-army/#comment-158467 xstryker Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:00:46 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=30983#comment-158467 We lost NJ, but we didn't lose it to a conservative. If Christie was running for Senate instead of Governor, you guys would have torpedoed him already. We lost NJ, but we didn’t lose it to a conservative. If Christie was running for Senate instead of Governor, you guys would have torpedoed him already.

]]> By: pandora http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/04/armey-is-building-an-army/#comment-158453 pandora Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:19:52 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=30983#comment-158453 Corzine was in trouble - check out his approval rate. And while I preferred him over Christie I wasn't surprised that he lost. Actually, Corzine made up a lot of ground in the polls over the last few weeks, but the idea that he was going to win is just silly. And talking of BIGGER stories... remind me again why NY-23 was even on the radar. Oh yeah, you guys put it there. And lost. Corzine was in trouble – check out his approval rate. And while I preferred him over Christie I wasn’t surprised that he lost. Actually, Corzine made up a lot of ground in the polls over the last few weeks, but the idea that he was going to win is just silly.

And talking of BIGGER stories… remind me again why NY-23 was even on the radar. Oh yeah, you guys put it there. And lost.

]]> By: D.C. http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/04/armey-is-building-an-army/#comment-158447 D.C. Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:15:38 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=30983#comment-158447 "I wonder if the Republicans are getting the message that their own attitude of “democracy is flawed.." I wonder if the socialists in the White House are getting the same message? Spin it however you'd like to but losing VA and NJ (especially NJ) is making a lot of Ds very nervous. “I wonder if the Republicans are getting the message that their own attitude of “democracy is flawed..”

I wonder if the socialists in the White House are getting the same message?

Spin it however you’d like to but losing VA and NJ (especially NJ) is making a lot of Ds very nervous.

]]> By: D.C. http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/04/armey-is-building-an-army/#comment-158443 D.C. Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:12:39 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=30983#comment-158443 "My point exactly, Geezer! The seat was the Rs to lose, and lost it they did." So what do you say about NJ? That probably doesn't matter, right? You had an incumbent, Democrat governor in a state that strongly supported the Democrat in the last election…who spent $23 million to his opponents $8 million...who had the messiah and his VP (among others) stumping for him...and he still lost the election. This seems like a much bigger story than a THIRD PARTY candidate losing an election up in NY. “My point exactly, Geezer! The seat was the Rs to lose, and lost it they did.”

So what do you say about NJ? That probably doesn’t matter, right?

You had an incumbent, Democrat governor in a state that strongly supported the Democrat in the last election…who spent $23 million to his opponents $8 million…who had the messiah and his VP (among others) stumping for him…and he still lost the election.

This seems like a much bigger story than a THIRD PARTY candidate losing an election up in NY.

]]> By: liberalgeek http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/04/armey-is-building-an-army/#comment-158411 liberalgeek Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:33 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=30983#comment-158411 I love this. Dan asserts that the process for selecting Scozzafava was flawed. Nevermind that she was actually chosen by the method that the Republicans came up with. Nevermind that the teabaggers lost that round. Nevermind that this was a special election which is different than a usual election. Nevermind that the tebagging candidate didn't actually LIVE in the district. Nevermind that he had no understanding of the issues of the district. I wonder if the Republicans are getting the message that their own attitude of "democracy is flawed if my guy doesn't win" is coming back to bite them in their ass. I am stocking up on popcorn. I love this. Dan asserts that the process for selecting Scozzafava was flawed.

Nevermind that she was actually chosen by the method that the Republicans came up with.
Nevermind that the teabaggers lost that round.
Nevermind that this was a special election which is different than a usual election.
Nevermind that the tebagging candidate didn’t actually LIVE in the district.
Nevermind that he had no understanding of the issues of the district.

I wonder if the Republicans are getting the message that their own attitude of “democracy is flawed if my guy doesn’t win” is coming back to bite them in their ass. I am stocking up on popcorn.

]]> By: Geezer http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/04/armey-is-building-an-army/#comment-158402 Geezer Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:32:32 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=30983#comment-158402 Agreed. I haven't drunk the Obama Kool-Aid, either -- but I'm far from a conservative. Some of the dissatisfaction with the status quo comes from those of us on the left who -- like many of you on the right felt about Bush by the end -- feel we have been betrayed. Agreed. I haven’t drunk the Obama Kool-Aid, either — but I’m far from a conservative. Some of the dissatisfaction with the status quo comes from those of us on the left who — like many of you on the right felt about Bush by the end — feel we have been betrayed.

]]> By: Dan Maloney http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/04/armey-is-building-an-army/#comment-158397 Dan Maloney Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:14:04 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=30983#comment-158397 Geezer, I'm fully aware of the differences between parliamentary and American politics. Perhaps in the cirrent context it should be considered whether the Republican Party did ANY coalition building before it chose Scozzafava. All available evidence points to a negative conclusion. So you're right and I'm right. As to safe Republican districts, perhaps. We definitely have to better penetrate what are viewed as 'hostile to conservative' areas, but even there we are having some success. Not everyone has drunk the Obama Koolaid: http://nygoe.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/obama-zombies-at-halloween-parade-103109/ Geezer,
I’m fully aware of the differences between parliamentary and American politics. Perhaps in the cirrent context it should be considered whether the Republican Party did ANY coalition building before it chose Scozzafava. All available evidence points to a negative conclusion.

So you’re right and I’m right. As to safe Republican districts, perhaps. We definitely have to better penetrate what are viewed as ‘hostile to conservative’ areas, but even there we are having some success.

Not everyone has drunk the Obama Koolaid:
http://nygoe.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/obama-zombies-at-halloween-parade-103109/

]]> By: cassandra_m http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/04/armey-is-building-an-army/#comment-158395 cassandra_m Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:09:44 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=30983#comment-158395 The Beck and Palin forces together still don't get to more than 20% or so of the electorate but I think that as a forecast Feldman is probably right. But I think that what gets coordinated and shared are their delusions of righteousness. And this will be fodder for the media and the punditocracy who work pretty hard to spin all of this as Good For Republicans. The Beck and Palin forces together still don’t get to more than 20% or so of the electorate but I think that as a forecast Feldman is probably right. But I think that what gets coordinated and shared are their delusions of righteousness. And this will be fodder for the media and the punditocracy who work pretty hard to spin all of this as Good For Republicans.

]]> By: Geezer http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/04/armey-is-building-an-army/#comment-158392 Geezer Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:04:22 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=30983#comment-158392 PB: That's problem with Twitter, isn't it? It's hard to read between the lines when there's only one of them. PB: That’s problem with Twitter, isn’t it? It’s hard to read between the lines when there’s only one of them.

]]> By: pandora http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/04/armey-is-building-an-army/#comment-158386 pandora Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:57:58 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=30983#comment-158386 <strong>Beck</strong>/Palin? <strong>Palin</strong>/Beck? I'm seeing a problem already. :-) Beck/Palin?

Palin/Beck?

I’m seeing a problem already. :-)

]]> By: Unstable Isotope http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/11/04/armey-is-building-an-army/#comment-158384 Unstable Isotope Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:53:14 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=30983#comment-158384 I definitely agree with Feldman - Beck is now the intellectual leader of the Republican party and Palin is the chosen one. Pawlenty wants to be but isn't there yet. Geezer, Perhaps the teabaggers want to go to a more parliamentary system. I think they do. I'm not sure how they're going to convince moderate Republicans to be in a coalition with them if they keep insulting them, though. I definitely agree with Feldman – Beck is now the intellectual leader of the Republican party and Palin is the chosen one. Pawlenty wants to be but isn’t there yet.

Geezer,

Perhaps the teabaggers want to go to a more parliamentary system. I think they do. I’m not sure how they’re going to convince moderate Republicans to be in a coalition with them if they keep insulting them, though.

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