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		<title>By: Betty Dotseth</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/10/12/zacharys-story-goes-national/#comment-157948</link>
		<dc:creator>Betty Dotseth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure how this was resolved, but I believe that the school board relented and decided not to send Zachary to prison for 10 years.  I&#039;m still shaking my head that this ever happened, but am glad to know that it made the national headlines.  At least we were not playing &quot;asleep at the wheel&quot; like we do with our national politics.

I did find out something interesting, however.  I could have been a cub scout when I started the first grade at 5 years of age.  I thank God that if I had brought a knife to school--my teacher had enough common sense/maturity to react to the situation in a manner that made sense!  What&#039;s going on today?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure how this was resolved, but I believe that the school board relented and decided not to send Zachary to prison for 10 years.  I&#8217;m still shaking my head that this ever happened, but am glad to know that it made the national headlines.  At least we were not playing &#8220;asleep at the wheel&#8221; like we do with our national politics.</p>
<p>I did find out something interesting, however.  I could have been a cub scout when I started the first grade at 5 years of age.  I thank God that if I had brought a knife to school&#8211;my teacher had enough common sense/maturity to react to the situation in a manner that made sense!  What&#8217;s going on today?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Swiss</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/10/12/zacharys-story-goes-national/#comment-153707</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Swiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perverted USA - the most criminal and perverted country on this planet! Fully under control of Satanists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perverted USA &#8211; the most criminal and perverted country on this planet! Fully under control of Satanists.</p>
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		<title>By: Common Sense Prevails, Punishment Revised for First-Grader Who Brought Camping Utensil to Delaware School: Zachary Christie Back in School &#171; Frugal Café Blog Zone</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/10/12/zacharys-story-goes-national/#comment-153619</link>
		<dc:creator>Common Sense Prevails, Punishment Revised for First-Grader Who Brought Camping Utensil to Delaware School: Zachary Christie Back in School &#171; Frugal Café Blog Zone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Control New York Times: It’s a Fork, It’s a Spoon, It’s a &#8230; Weapon?  Delaware Liberal: Zachary&#8217;s Story Goes National QandO: 0% Tolerance; 100% Nonsense PoliGazette: Zero-Tolerance Policies Go Bonkers…Again Resolute [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Control New York Times: It’s a Fork, It’s a Spoon, It’s a &#8230; Weapon?  Delaware Liberal: Zachary&#8217;s Story Goes National QandO: 0% Tolerance; 100% Nonsense PoliGazette: Zero-Tolerance Policies Go Bonkers…Again Resolute [...]</p>
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		<title>By: liberalgeek</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/10/12/zacharys-story-goes-national/#comment-153342</link>
		<dc:creator>liberalgeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck John.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck John.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/10/12/zacharys-story-goes-national/#comment-153333</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim is an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim is an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: John Young</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/10/12/zacharys-story-goes-national/#comment-153319</link>
		<dc:creator>John Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad to report that maybe the people from all over America threatening me with axes to my head will stop e-mailing me.

I am exhausted and it is not over yet...one more day of media reax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad to report that maybe the people from all over America threatening me with axes to my head will stop e-mailing me.</p>
<p>I am exhausted and it is not over yet&#8230;one more day of media reax.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/10/12/zacharys-story-goes-national/#comment-153316</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who cares that he is only 6.  Post his face all you want it doesnt change my mind.  Im sick of &quot;certain&quot; people coming up with excuses when its convenient. &quot;Oh it was an accident&quot;, &quot;Oh he&#039;s only 6&quot; shut the hell up.  I say be consistent and treat everyone the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares that he is only 6.  Post his face all you want it doesnt change my mind.  Im sick of &#8220;certain&#8221; people coming up with excuses when its convenient. &#8220;Oh it was an accident&#8221;, &#8220;Oh he&#8217;s only 6&#8243; shut the hell up.  I say be consistent and treat everyone the same.</p>
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		<title>By: GayLynn Dearden</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/10/12/zacharys-story-goes-national/#comment-153315</link>
		<dc:creator>GayLynn Dearden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Principal and school board of Delaware Elementry,
  In regard to the recent news report on Zachary and his cub scout
reward for being a good cubscout at the early age of just 1st grade.

  Evidently, the zero policy of Delaware for this grade level needs
to go under construction and be revised to accomodate the children
in early stages of development. There is not one child at this early
age who would be carrying a weapon for any criminal activity uses in
the first place. Zachary carried his swiss army knife with all the
cool camping utencils in it with pride because he was given it from
scouts which he thinks is mighty cool to have received it from.
Goodness gracious, what on earth is the zero policy doing with it&#039;s
implimentation of 45 day reform school. In poor Zachary&#039;s mind he
and his family are being punished for nothing, and all this does is
make a youngster dislike school. Lets use some discretion like every
one is saying, and deal with this as it should be. Swiss army knifes
or knifes are not allowed at schools and considered to be weapons,
so when one is not considered a weapon, that should be taken into 
account, and the teacher could simply take it from the child, and
let him know that it is not allowed and that if he wanted it back 
his mother could get it from the teacher or office. Maybe the principal could have a brief talk with this first grader to explain
that anything with a knife blade on it is considered by the school 
to be a weapon, and although they know he had no plan to use the 
knife blade part of the camping set, that they require he not ever
bring it to school again because it breaks the school rules.
That should be sufficient. This overkill 45 day reform is outlandish
and simply unreasonable, not required, and the wrong policy to have
in place for this situation. COME ON SCHOOL STAFF, VOTE FOR CHANGE
ON ZERO POLICY because this is totally ridicules, and UNFAIR for 
little kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Principal and school board of Delaware Elementry,<br />
  In regard to the recent news report on Zachary and his cub scout<br />
reward for being a good cubscout at the early age of just 1st grade.</p>
<p>  Evidently, the zero policy of Delaware for this grade level needs<br />
to go under construction and be revised to accomodate the children<br />
in early stages of development. There is not one child at this early<br />
age who would be carrying a weapon for any criminal activity uses in<br />
the first place. Zachary carried his swiss army knife with all the<br />
cool camping utencils in it with pride because he was given it from<br />
scouts which he thinks is mighty cool to have received it from.<br />
Goodness gracious, what on earth is the zero policy doing with it&#8217;s<br />
implimentation of 45 day reform school. In poor Zachary&#8217;s mind he<br />
and his family are being punished for nothing, and all this does is<br />
make a youngster dislike school. Lets use some discretion like every<br />
one is saying, and deal with this as it should be. Swiss army knifes<br />
or knifes are not allowed at schools and considered to be weapons,<br />
so when one is not considered a weapon, that should be taken into<br />
account, and the teacher could simply take it from the child, and<br />
let him know that it is not allowed and that if he wanted it back<br />
his mother could get it from the teacher or office. Maybe the principal could have a brief talk with this first grader to explain<br />
that anything with a knife blade on it is considered by the school<br />
to be a weapon, and although they know he had no plan to use the<br />
knife blade part of the camping set, that they require he not ever<br />
bring it to school again because it breaks the school rules.<br />
That should be sufficient. This overkill 45 day reform is outlandish<br />
and simply unreasonable, not required, and the wrong policy to have<br />
in place for this situation. COME ON SCHOOL STAFF, VOTE FOR CHANGE<br />
ON ZERO POLICY because this is totally ridicules, and UNFAIR for<br />
little kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott P</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/10/12/zacharys-story-goes-national/#comment-153220</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think maybe &quot;the same offense&quot; idea is the problem. If I&#039;m not licensed and I carry a gun in public, I&#039;m breaking the law and should be punished. If I&#039;m pointing the gun at someone&#039;s head and threatening them, I should be punished differently. 

Back to the schools, the reason these rules are in place is because these potential weapons could be used to hurt someone. If a kid had that intent, that is serious and should be dealt with as such. When a kid innocently brings in something potentially dangerous, there still could be accidents, so it should still be dealt with. However, they are not the same offense. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s asking too much for there to be some assessment of intent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think maybe &#8220;the same offense&#8221; idea is the problem. If I&#8217;m not licensed and I carry a gun in public, I&#8217;m breaking the law and should be punished. If I&#8217;m pointing the gun at someone&#8217;s head and threatening them, I should be punished differently. </p>
<p>Back to the schools, the reason these rules are in place is because these potential weapons could be used to hurt someone. If a kid had that intent, that is serious and should be dealt with as such. When a kid innocently brings in something potentially dangerous, there still could be accidents, so it should still be dealt with. However, they are not the same offense. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s asking too much for there to be some assessment of intent.</p>
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		<title>By: liberalgeek</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/10/12/zacharys-story-goes-national/#comment-153219</link>
		<dc:creator>liberalgeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, that is the beauty of my plan.  You suspend him pending a review by a child psychologist or some sort of counselor.  This gives the district the ability to be lenient on kids that present no danger to the community, and allows the school to flag the kids that are a genuine risk.  I wish that there had been some counselors that had some interaction with the Columbine killers before the massacre.  Instead, they had interactions with law enforcement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, that is the beauty of my plan.  You suspend him pending a review by a child psychologist or some sort of counselor.  This gives the district the ability to be lenient on kids that present no danger to the community, and allows the school to flag the kids that are a genuine risk.  I wish that there had been some counselors that had some interaction with the Columbine killers before the massacre.  Instead, they had interactions with law enforcement.</p>
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		<title>By: Unstable Isotope</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/10/12/zacharys-story-goes-national/#comment-153216</link>
		<dc:creator>Unstable Isotope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that they are trying to make it fair, that is, the same punishment for the same offense.  The problem is that they made it absurd.  45 days in reform school?  That&#039;s ridiculous!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that they are trying to make it fair, that is, the same punishment for the same offense.  The problem is that they made it absurd.  45 days in reform school?  That&#8217;s ridiculous!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott P</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/10/12/zacharys-story-goes-national/#comment-153215</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, Pandora. The perspective that I got from a family member who is a former teacher and administrator (local, but not Christina) is that these zero tolerance/manditory sentence rules are in place to protect the teachers and in-school administrators. It&#039;s to make sure there is no appearance of preferential treatment. To be more blunt, it&#039;s to make sure no one complains (or sues) because the white kid got less of a punishment than the black kid for a similar offense. This way, the in-school people are protected, and any problems get kicked up to the district level. The problem with that,though, is that dealing with things at the district level takes time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Pandora. The perspective that I got from a family member who is a former teacher and administrator (local, but not Christina) is that these zero tolerance/manditory sentence rules are in place to protect the teachers and in-school administrators. It&#8217;s to make sure there is no appearance of preferential treatment. To be more blunt, it&#8217;s to make sure no one complains (or sues) because the white kid got less of a punishment than the black kid for a similar offense. This way, the in-school people are protected, and any problems get kicked up to the district level. The problem with that,though, is that dealing with things at the district level takes time.</p>
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		<title>By: nemski</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/10/12/zacharys-story-goes-national/#comment-153210</link>
		<dc:creator>nemski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG, they&#039;re going to kill Z? I thought we were talking about a suspension. Silly me. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, they&#8217;re going to kill Z? I thought we were talking about a suspension. Silly me. <img src='http://www.delawareliberal.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: pandora</title>
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		<dc:creator>pandora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully Zachary&#039;s experience will put a stop to this nonsense.  I do think, however, the reason Zachary was given such a harsh punishment is due to this being normal operating procedure - Read:  Other children have received the same treatment and if they gave Zachary a pass then they could be dealing with a lawsuit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully Zachary&#8217;s experience will put a stop to this nonsense.  I do think, however, the reason Zachary was given such a harsh punishment is due to this being normal operating procedure &#8211; Read:  Other children have received the same treatment and if they gave Zachary a pass then they could be dealing with a lawsuit.</p>
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		<title>By: liberalgeek</title>
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		<dc:creator>liberalgeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, which of the other 6 year olds have been subjected to this treatment?  Let&#039;s find them and see what has been done to them.

Let&#039;s imagine that this was the death penalty.  Would you be in favor of going through with an execution if there was evidence that would exonerate the person, even if they had gone through all of their appeals?  Isn&#039;t this like a Governor doing a last minute stay of the execution once new evidence has been presented?

Your stand seems to be that the kid should suffer the consequences just like other kids (that we now admit had varying degrees of culpability) to prove that this is a stupid law?  Really?

I think you and I agree that the zero-tolerance rules are too inflexible.  The question is why in the world should you continue to treat a poorly written rule as if it were well written?  Once the problem has been identified, it is unforgivable to continue doing it wrong.

How would you like your kid to be treated this way?  I recognize that some kids are treated this way and have not been able to get the attention that Zachary has, but hopefully no one else will have to, including Zachary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, which of the other 6 year olds have been subjected to this treatment?  Let&#8217;s find them and see what has been done to them.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s imagine that this was the death penalty.  Would you be in favor of going through with an execution if there was evidence that would exonerate the person, even if they had gone through all of their appeals?  Isn&#8217;t this like a Governor doing a last minute stay of the execution once new evidence has been presented?</p>
<p>Your stand seems to be that the kid should suffer the consequences just like other kids (that we now admit had varying degrees of culpability) to prove that this is a stupid law?  Really?</p>
<p>I think you and I agree that the zero-tolerance rules are too inflexible.  The question is why in the world should you continue to treat a poorly written rule as if it were well written?  Once the problem has been identified, it is unforgivable to continue doing it wrong.</p>
<p>How would you like your kid to be treated this way?  I recognize that some kids are treated this way and have not been able to get the attention that Zachary has, but hopefully no one else will have to, including Zachary.</p>
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