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		<title>By: Around the Horn Friday : DelawareLiberal.Net</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Around the Horn Friday Donviti&#8217;s Deep Thoughts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Friday Afternoon Bacon Blogging Read All About It in the Sunday Papers. How They Voted This [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about constitution shredding.  They already want to take a carbon tax global.  That means a global entity will be levying taxes on the american people.  Al Gore leads the charge for global government and fascism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about constitution shredding.  They already want to take a carbon tax global.  That means a global entity will be levying taxes on the american people.  Al Gore leads the charge for global government and fascism.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that no one is crying foul that Obama hasn&#039;t denounced wiretapping and surveillance of American citizens since he got into office?  He has yet to shut any of those down.  I guess what&#039;s good for the goose is good for the gander. This is just more of the two party one head smoke and mirrors act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that no one is crying foul that Obama hasn&#8217;t denounced wiretapping and surveillance of American citizens since he got into office?  He has yet to shut any of those down.  I guess what&#8217;s good for the goose is good for the gander. This is just more of the two party one head smoke and mirrors act.</p>
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		<title>By: anoni</title>
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		<dc:creator>anoni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like the Democrats need to switch to decaff. More below: 


CIA Had Secret Al Qaeda Plan 
Initiative at Heart of Spat With Congress Examined Ways to Seize, Kill Terror Chiefs

By SIOBHAN GORMAN, The Wall Street Journal

WASHINGTON -- A secret Central Intelligence Agency initiative terminated by Director Leon Panetta was an attempt to carry out a 2001 presidential authorization to capture or kill al Qaeda operatives, according to former intelligence officials familiar with the matter. 
The precise nature of the highly classified effort isn&#039;t clear, and the CIA won&#039;t comment on its substance. 

According to current and former government officials, the agency spent money on planning and possibly some training. It was acting on a 2001 presidential legal pronouncement, known as a finding, which authorized the CIA to pursue such efforts. The initiative hadn&#039;t become fully operational at the time Mr. Panetta ended it. 

In 2001, the CIA also examined the subject of targeted assassinations of al Qaeda leaders, according to three former intelligence officials. It appears that those discussions tapered off within six months. It isn&#039;t clear whether they were an early part of the CIA initiative that Mr. Panetta stopped. 

The revelations about the CIA and its post-9/11 activities have emerged amid a renewed fight between the agency and congressional Democrats. Last week, seven Democratic lawmakers on the House Intelligence Committee released a letter that talked about the CIA effort, which they said Mr. Panetta acknowledged hadn&#039;t been properly vetted with Congress. CIA officials had brought the matter to Mr. Panetta&#039;s attention and had recommended he inform Congress. 

Neither Mr. Panetta nor the lawmakers provided details. Mr. Panetta quashed the CIA effort after learning about it June 23. 

The battle is part of a long-running tug of war between the executive branch and the legislature about how to oversee the activities of the country&#039;s intelligence services and how extensively the CIA should brief Congress. In recent years, in the light of revelations over CIA secret prisons and harsh interrogation techniques, Congress has pushed for greater oversight. The Obama administration, much like its predecessor, is resisting any moves in that direction. 

Most recently, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, in a dispute over what she knew about the use of waterboarding in interrogating terror suspects, has accused the agency of lying to lawmakers about its operations. 

Republicans on the panel say that the CIA effort didn&#039;t advance to a point where Congress clearly should have been notified. 

CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano said the agency &quot;has not commented on the substance of the effort.&quot; He added that &quot;a candid dialogue with Congress is very important to this director and this agency.&quot; 

One former senior intelligence official said the program was an attempt &quot;to achieve a capacity to carry out something that was directed in the finding,&quot; meaning it was looking for ways to capture or kill al Qaeda chieftains. 

The official noted that Congress had long been briefed on the finding, and that the CIA effort wasn&#039;t so much a program as &quot;many ideas suggested over the course of years.&quot; It hadn&#039;t come close to fruition, he added. 

Michigan Rep. Pete Hoekstra, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said little had been spent on the efforts -- closer to $1 million than $50 million. &quot;The idea for this kind of program was tossed around in fits and starts,&quot; he said. 

Senior CIA leaders were briefed two or three times on the most recent iteration of the initiative, the last time in the spring of 2008. At that time, CIA brass said that the effort should be narrowed and that Congress should be briefed if the preparations reached a critical stage, a former senior intelligence official said. 

Amid the high alert following the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, a small CIA unit examined the potential for targeted assassinations of al Qaeda operatives, according to the three former officials. The Ford administration had banned assassinations in the response to investigations into intelligence abuses in the 1970s. Some officials who advocated the approach were seeking to build teams of CIA and military Special Forces commandos to emulate what the Israelis did after the Munich Olympics terrorist attacks, said another former intelligence official. 

&quot;It was straight out of the movies,&quot; one of the former intelligence officials said. &quot;It was like: Let&#039;s kill them all.&quot; 

The former official said he had been told that President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney didn&#039;t support such an operation. The effort appeared to die out after about six months, he said. 

Former CIA Director George Tenet, who led the agency in the aftermath of the 2001 attacks, declined through a spokesman to comment. 

Also in September 2001, as CIA operatives were preparing for an offensive in Afghanistan, officials drafted cables that would have authorized assassinations of specified targets on the spot. 

One draft cable, later scrapped, authorized officers on the ground to &quot;kill on sight&quot; certain al Qaeda targets, according to one person who saw it. The context of the memo suggested it was designed for the most senior leaders in al Qaeda, this person said. 

Eventually Mr. Bush issued the finding that authorized the capturing of several top al Qaeda leaders, and allowed officers to kill the targets if capturing proved too dangerous or risky. 

Lawmakers first learned specifics of the CIA initiative the day after Mr. Panetta did, when he briefed them on it for 45 minutes. 

House lawmakers are now making preparations for an investigation into &quot;an important program&quot; and why Congress wasn&#039;t told about it, said Rep. Jan Schakowsky, an Illinois Democrat, in an interview. 

On Sunday, lawmakers criticized the Bush administration&#039;s decision not to tell Congress. Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein, a Democrat from California, hinted that the Bush administration may have broken the law by not telling Congress. 

&quot;We were kept in the dark. That&#039;s something that should never, ever happen again,&quot; she said. Withholding such information from Congress, she said, &quot;is a big problem, because the law is very clear.&quot; 

Ms. Feinstein said Mr. Panetta told the lawmakers that Mr. Cheney had ordered that the information be withheld from Congress. Mr. Cheney on Sunday couldn&#039;t be reached for comment through former White House aides. 

The Senate&#039;s second-ranking official, Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, and Vermont Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, echoed those concerns and called for an investigation, an indication of how the politics of intelligence continue to bedevil the CIA. 

Separately, Attorney General Eric Holder is considering whether to order a criminal probe into whether treatment of terrorism detainees exceeded guidelines set by the Justice Department, administration officials said. 

President Barack Obama and Mr. Holder have said they don&#039;t favor prosecuting lawyers who wrote legal justifications for interrogation methods that the president and his attorney general have declared to be torture. They have sought to protect CIA officers who followed the legal guidelines. 

&quot;The Department of Justice will follow the facts and the law with respect to any matter,&quot; said Matthew Miller, a department spokesman. &quot;We have made no decisions on investigations or prosecutions, including whether to appoint a prosecutor to conduct further inquiry.&quot; —Evan Perez and Elizabeth Williamson contributed to this article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like the Democrats need to switch to decaff. More below: </p>
<p>CIA Had Secret Al Qaeda Plan<br />
Initiative at Heart of Spat With Congress Examined Ways to Seize, Kill Terror Chiefs</p>
<p>By SIOBHAN GORMAN, The Wall Street Journal</p>
<p>WASHINGTON &#8212; A secret Central Intelligence Agency initiative terminated by Director Leon Panetta was an attempt to carry out a 2001 presidential authorization to capture or kill al Qaeda operatives, according to former intelligence officials familiar with the matter.<br />
The precise nature of the highly classified effort isn&#8217;t clear, and the CIA won&#8217;t comment on its substance. </p>
<p>According to current and former government officials, the agency spent money on planning and possibly some training. It was acting on a 2001 presidential legal pronouncement, known as a finding, which authorized the CIA to pursue such efforts. The initiative hadn&#8217;t become fully operational at the time Mr. Panetta ended it. </p>
<p>In 2001, the CIA also examined the subject of targeted assassinations of al Qaeda leaders, according to three former intelligence officials. It appears that those discussions tapered off within six months. It isn&#8217;t clear whether they were an early part of the CIA initiative that Mr. Panetta stopped. </p>
<p>The revelations about the CIA and its post-9/11 activities have emerged amid a renewed fight between the agency and congressional Democrats. Last week, seven Democratic lawmakers on the House Intelligence Committee released a letter that talked about the CIA effort, which they said Mr. Panetta acknowledged hadn&#8217;t been properly vetted with Congress. CIA officials had brought the matter to Mr. Panetta&#8217;s attention and had recommended he inform Congress. </p>
<p>Neither Mr. Panetta nor the lawmakers provided details. Mr. Panetta quashed the CIA effort after learning about it June 23. </p>
<p>The battle is part of a long-running tug of war between the executive branch and the legislature about how to oversee the activities of the country&#8217;s intelligence services and how extensively the CIA should brief Congress. In recent years, in the light of revelations over CIA secret prisons and harsh interrogation techniques, Congress has pushed for greater oversight. The Obama administration, much like its predecessor, is resisting any moves in that direction. </p>
<p>Most recently, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, in a dispute over what she knew about the use of waterboarding in interrogating terror suspects, has accused the agency of lying to lawmakers about its operations. </p>
<p>Republicans on the panel say that the CIA effort didn&#8217;t advance to a point where Congress clearly should have been notified. </p>
<p>CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano said the agency &#8220;has not commented on the substance of the effort.&#8221; He added that &#8220;a candid dialogue with Congress is very important to this director and this agency.&#8221; </p>
<p>One former senior intelligence official said the program was an attempt &#8220;to achieve a capacity to carry out something that was directed in the finding,&#8221; meaning it was looking for ways to capture or kill al Qaeda chieftains. </p>
<p>The official noted that Congress had long been briefed on the finding, and that the CIA effort wasn&#8217;t so much a program as &#8220;many ideas suggested over the course of years.&#8221; It hadn&#8217;t come close to fruition, he added. </p>
<p>Michigan Rep. Pete Hoekstra, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said little had been spent on the efforts &#8212; closer to $1 million than $50 million. &#8220;The idea for this kind of program was tossed around in fits and starts,&#8221; he said. </p>
<p>Senior CIA leaders were briefed two or three times on the most recent iteration of the initiative, the last time in the spring of 2008. At that time, CIA brass said that the effort should be narrowed and that Congress should be briefed if the preparations reached a critical stage, a former senior intelligence official said. </p>
<p>Amid the high alert following the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, a small CIA unit examined the potential for targeted assassinations of al Qaeda operatives, according to the three former officials. The Ford administration had banned assassinations in the response to investigations into intelligence abuses in the 1970s. Some officials who advocated the approach were seeking to build teams of CIA and military Special Forces commandos to emulate what the Israelis did after the Munich Olympics terrorist attacks, said another former intelligence official. </p>
<p>&#8220;It was straight out of the movies,&#8221; one of the former intelligence officials said. &#8220;It was like: Let&#8217;s kill them all.&#8221; </p>
<p>The former official said he had been told that President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney didn&#8217;t support such an operation. The effort appeared to die out after about six months, he said. </p>
<p>Former CIA Director George Tenet, who led the agency in the aftermath of the 2001 attacks, declined through a spokesman to comment. </p>
<p>Also in September 2001, as CIA operatives were preparing for an offensive in Afghanistan, officials drafted cables that would have authorized assassinations of specified targets on the spot. </p>
<p>One draft cable, later scrapped, authorized officers on the ground to &#8220;kill on sight&#8221; certain al Qaeda targets, according to one person who saw it. The context of the memo suggested it was designed for the most senior leaders in al Qaeda, this person said. </p>
<p>Eventually Mr. Bush issued the finding that authorized the capturing of several top al Qaeda leaders, and allowed officers to kill the targets if capturing proved too dangerous or risky. </p>
<p>Lawmakers first learned specifics of the CIA initiative the day after Mr. Panetta did, when he briefed them on it for 45 minutes. </p>
<p>House lawmakers are now making preparations for an investigation into &#8220;an important program&#8221; and why Congress wasn&#8217;t told about it, said Rep. Jan Schakowsky, an Illinois Democrat, in an interview. </p>
<p>On Sunday, lawmakers criticized the Bush administration&#8217;s decision not to tell Congress. Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein, a Democrat from California, hinted that the Bush administration may have broken the law by not telling Congress. </p>
<p>&#8220;We were kept in the dark. That&#8217;s something that should never, ever happen again,&#8221; she said. Withholding such information from Congress, she said, &#8220;is a big problem, because the law is very clear.&#8221; </p>
<p>Ms. Feinstein said Mr. Panetta told the lawmakers that Mr. Cheney had ordered that the information be withheld from Congress. Mr. Cheney on Sunday couldn&#8217;t be reached for comment through former White House aides. </p>
<p>The Senate&#8217;s second-ranking official, Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, and Vermont Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, echoed those concerns and called for an investigation, an indication of how the politics of intelligence continue to bedevil the CIA. </p>
<p>Separately, Attorney General Eric Holder is considering whether to order a criminal probe into whether treatment of terrorism detainees exceeded guidelines set by the Justice Department, administration officials said. </p>
<p>President Barack Obama and Mr. Holder have said they don&#8217;t favor prosecuting lawyers who wrote legal justifications for interrogation methods that the president and his attorney general have declared to be torture. They have sought to protect CIA officers who followed the legal guidelines. </p>
<p>&#8220;The Department of Justice will follow the facts and the law with respect to any matter,&#8221; said Matthew Miller, a department spokesman. &#8220;We have made no decisions on investigations or prosecutions, including whether to appoint a prosecutor to conduct further inquiry.&#8221; —Evan Perez and Elizabeth Williamson contributed to this article.</p>
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		<title>By: John Manifold</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Manifold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travails of a Delaware family are described in Barbara Ehrenreich NYT op-ed today:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/opinion/12ehrenreich.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travails of a Delaware family are described in Barbara Ehrenreich NYT op-ed today:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/opinion/12ehrenreich.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/opinion/12ehrenreich.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Manifold</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/07/12/read-all-about-it-in-the-sunday-papers-constitution-shredding-edition/#comment-134059</link>
		<dc:creator>John Manifold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A fascinating look at one part of the media appears today in The Inquirer, revealing that no one else is listening to commercial radio either:
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/front_page/20090712_Cutbacks__double_shifts_The_static_of_hard_times_.html

I would love to know how Clear Channel and its fellow oligarchs might be forced to sell or spin off their stations.  We know ad sales have dropped, but I would love to know the industry&#039;s profit margins, which I expect [before interest, depreciation, taxes] remain quite healthy.  I would love to know the comparative ratings of the noncommercial stations.  Still, this article gives a revealing glimpse at a once-wonderful medium that has been strangled by &quot;deregulation,&quot; or more accurately, a government-enforced monopoly conferred on a dozen or so corporate caliphs, freed to homogenize the airways and reduce them to mediocrity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fascinating look at one part of the media appears today in The Inquirer, revealing that no one else is listening to commercial radio either:<br />
<a href="http://www.philly.com/inquirer/front_page/20090712_Cutbacks__double_shifts_The_static_of_hard_times_.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.philly.com/inquirer/front_page/20090712_Cutbacks__double_shifts_The_static_of_hard_times_.html</a></p>
<p>I would love to know how Clear Channel and its fellow oligarchs might be forced to sell or spin off their stations.  We know ad sales have dropped, but I would love to know the industry&#8217;s profit margins, which I expect [before interest, depreciation, taxes] remain quite healthy.  I would love to know the comparative ratings of the noncommercial stations.  Still, this article gives a revealing glimpse at a once-wonderful medium that has been strangled by &#8220;deregulation,&#8221; or more accurately, a government-enforced monopoly conferred on a dozen or so corporate caliphs, freed to homogenize the airways and reduce them to mediocrity.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh crap, does this mean we have to watch Liz Cheney lying her ass off for another month?</description>
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		<title>By: anonone</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t think he&#039;d be listening to Kerry and the Democrat&#039;s campaign communications in 2004, now do you? Naw, of course not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t think he&#8217;d be listening to Kerry and the Democrat&#8217;s campaign communications in 2004, now do you? Naw, of course not.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What could the secret spying be? My mind had already gotten around the idea that Bush was vacuuming up all phone calls and Internet traffic, but maybe that would come as a surprise to other people. Especially since Bush sold it as &quot;listening to terrorists,&quot; which was swallowed hook, line, and sinker by our local wingnut bloggers, among others.

Or, perhaps massive spying on our allies - that would be big.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What could the secret spying be? My mind had already gotten around the idea that Bush was vacuuming up all phone calls and Internet traffic, but maybe that would come as a surprise to other people. Especially since Bush sold it as &#8220;listening to terrorists,&#8221; which was swallowed hook, line, and sinker by our local wingnut bloggers, among others.</p>
<p>Or, perhaps massive spying on our allies &#8211; that would be big.</p>
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		<title>By: El Somnambulo</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Somnambulo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Bulo was gonna write this before JM&#039;s kind words, but he hopes that JM and many of DL&#039;s readers and commenters make it to DL&#039;s Miles For Melanoma Picnic on August 15. 

He tends to form pictures in his mind&#039;s eye of the faithful and the caustic, and he&#039;s looking forward to enjoying a libation or five with everybody that day. And, no, he will not hide behind a Lucha Libre mask or the cloak of anonymity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Bulo was gonna write this before JM&#8217;s kind words, but he hopes that JM and many of DL&#8217;s readers and commenters make it to DL&#8217;s Miles For Melanoma Picnic on August 15. </p>
<p>He tends to form pictures in his mind&#8217;s eye of the faithful and the caustic, and he&#8217;s looking forward to enjoying a libation or five with everybody that day. And, no, he will not hide behind a Lucha Libre mask or the cloak of anonymity.</p>
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		<title>By: John Manifold</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Manifold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, I greatly value [and unfortunately delayed too long to add to the prior comment] this Sunday feature by which you open all of our eyes to developments, commentary and important reporting outside our three counties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I greatly value [and unfortunately delayed too long to add to the prior comment] this Sunday feature by which you open all of our eyes to developments, commentary and important reporting outside our three counties.</p>
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		<title>By: John Manifold</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Manifold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 1,200- word Times Sunday story was fine, and the paper&#039;s reporting will, I am certain, continue to draw out details on this program.  I don&#039;t watch the teevee.  Ackerman will be very good when he gets an editor again.  Josh&#039;s site is the best on the &#039;Net, but remember that it (1) has paid reporters, albeit at high-energy entry level; (2) relies heavily on the work done by other outlets that pay union salaries to veterans, secretaries, pressmen; and (3) is evolving into a form of MSM, albeit electronic-based, a latter-day version of the incubator of major journalists, polemicists and policy-makers that Charlie Peters has operated for decades at The Washington Monthly.  In other words, what&#039;s new is old.

My front porch is decorated daily by The Inquirer, whose pages carried marvelous work, substantially all vindicated by time, by Knight-Ridder, then McClatchy correspondents on Iraq, the Bush administration and related topics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 1,200- word Times Sunday story was fine, and the paper&#8217;s reporting will, I am certain, continue to draw out details on this program.  I don&#8217;t watch the teevee.  Ackerman will be very good when he gets an editor again.  Josh&#8217;s site is the best on the &#8216;Net, but remember that it (1) has paid reporters, albeit at high-energy entry level; (2) relies heavily on the work done by other outlets that pay union salaries to veterans, secretaries, pressmen; and (3) is evolving into a form of MSM, albeit electronic-based, a latter-day version of the incubator of major journalists, polemicists and policy-makers that Charlie Peters has operated for decades at The Washington Monthly.  In other words, what&#8217;s new is old.</p>
<p>My front porch is decorated daily by The Inquirer, whose pages carried marvelous work, substantially all vindicated by time, by Knight-Ridder, then McClatchy correspondents on Iraq, the Bush administration and related topics.</p>
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		<title>By: El Somnambulo</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/07/12/read-all-about-it-in-the-sunday-papers-constitution-shredding-edition/#comment-134025</link>
		<dc:creator>El Somnambulo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JM: &#039;Bulo did not mean to include the Times&#039; Shane among the &#039;second-stringers&#039;. His point, poorly made, was that your electronic media stalwarts, such as they are, disappear on summer weekends, and you&#039;re left with the telegenic but vapid second string, ill-equipped to provide context to a story with this complexity. Which is one reason why the Friday news dump exists in the first place.

&#039;Bulo&#039;s disappointment with the Times story was its relative paucity. He thought that the story called out for much greater context and detail.

As to Ackerman, is anyone else making the points that he made? &#039;Bulo&#039;s less interested in the reputations than in what they put on the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JM: &#8216;Bulo did not mean to include the Times&#8217; Shane among the &#8217;second-stringers&#8217;. His point, poorly made, was that your electronic media stalwarts, such as they are, disappear on summer weekends, and you&#8217;re left with the telegenic but vapid second string, ill-equipped to provide context to a story with this complexity. Which is one reason why the Friday news dump exists in the first place.</p>
<p>&#8216;Bulo&#8217;s disappointment with the Times story was its relative paucity. He thought that the story called out for much greater context and detail.</p>
<p>As to Ackerman, is anyone else making the points that he made? &#8216;Bulo&#8217;s less interested in the reputations than in what they put on the table.</p>
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		<title>By: John Manifold</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Manifold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swing and a miss on The Times story, El Som.  

The Times&#039; story linking Cheney to the CIA coverup is huge.  To call Scott Shane a &quot;second-stringer&quot; is sadly ignorant.  He&#039;s one of the titans of contemporary journalism.

Spencer Ackerman has a fine future, but don&#039;t embarrass him or yourself by suggesting that his work means, &quot;There’s really no need to even look at the MSM anymore.&quot;  It&#039;s a bit more complicated, as Charlie Pierce, as usual, says better than I: http://www.thenation.com/blogs/altercation/425880/slacker_friday</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swing and a miss on The Times story, El Som.  </p>
<p>The Times&#8217; story linking Cheney to the CIA coverup is huge.  To call Scott Shane a &#8220;second-stringer&#8221; is sadly ignorant.  He&#8217;s one of the titans of contemporary journalism.</p>
<p>Spencer Ackerman has a fine future, but don&#8217;t embarrass him or yourself by suggesting that his work means, &#8220;There’s really no need to even look at the MSM anymore.&#8221;  It&#8217;s a bit more complicated, as Charlie Pierce, as usual, says better than I: <a href="http://www.thenation.com/blogs/altercation/425880/slacker_friday" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenation.com/blogs/altercation/425880/slacker_friday</a></p>
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		<title>By: El Somnambulo</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/07/12/read-all-about-it-in-the-sunday-papers-constitution-shredding-edition/#comment-134003</link>
		<dc:creator>El Somnambulo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Personal Message to John Young: You &#039;da man. 
John Young&#039;s Music For the Masses will appear next Saturday. Big ol&#039; Tip of the Sombrero!

2. Preemptive two-word response to the first Stepford Rethug who comes over here with their &#039;at least they kept us safe&#039; BS:

&quot;New Orleans&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Personal Message to John Young: You &#8216;da man.<br />
John Young&#8217;s Music For the Masses will appear next Saturday. Big ol&#8217; Tip of the Sombrero!</p>
<p>2. Preemptive two-word response to the first Stepford Rethug who comes over here with their &#8216;at least they kept us safe&#8217; BS:</p>
<p>&#8220;New Orleans&#8221;.</p>
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