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	<title>Comments on: HB 117 Passes the House</title>
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		<title>By: pandora</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/06/09/hb-117-passes-the-house/#comment-126083</link>
		<dc:creator>pandora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re right about it being RC, Smitty.  Just take a look at all the amendments to the Charter School law, among others.  Our school board and politicians have quite the relationship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re right about it being RC, Smitty.  Just take a look at all the amendments to the Charter School law, among others.  Our school board and politicians have quite the relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: RSmitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>RSmitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My eyes are trained on RC, FSP.  Thing is, though, it&#039;s not just Democrats looking for this change.  It&#039;s those who were more or less disenfranchised by the machine that made it that way.  I totally blame what used to be the forceful method up there.  Thing is, while they finally made leeway this year, rather than mark the progress and work with it, everyone must feel their wrath of revenge...e-v-e-r-y-o-n-e.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My eyes are trained on RC, FSP.  Thing is, though, it&#8217;s not just Democrats looking for this change.  It&#8217;s those who were more or less disenfranchised by the machine that made it that way.  I totally blame what used to be the forceful method up there.  Thing is, while they finally made leeway this year, rather than mark the progress and work with it, everyone must feel their wrath of revenge&#8230;e-v-e-r-y-o-n-e.</p>
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		<title>By: FSP</title>
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		<dc:creator>FSP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What I’m starting to get from this argument, Joanne’s VERY VALID points aside, is that one group of people felt they couldn’t crack the ice, so they want to create an upheaval and change how things are done, to honestly better the chances for their side.&quot;

Bingo. Next, all you have to do is figure out the who.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What I’m starting to get from this argument, Joanne’s VERY VALID points aside, is that one group of people felt they couldn’t crack the ice, so they want to create an upheaval and change how things are done, to honestly better the chances for their side.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bingo. Next, all you have to do is figure out the who.</p>
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		<title>By: RSmitty</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/06/09/hb-117-passes-the-house/#comment-126077</link>
		<dc:creator>RSmitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I&#039;m starting to get from this argument, Joanne&#039;s VERY VALID points aside, is that one group of people felt they couldn&#039;t crack the ice, so they want to create an upheaval and change how things are done, to honestly better the chances for their side.  On the other hand, others who have had little complaints about their board and enjoy their representation realize what little chance they&#039;d have in a polarized environment, due to straight-ticketing; therefore, don&#039;t want it changed.

That about sums it up.  I will admit of being guilty of the latter.  In Appoquinimink, we enjoy our board&#039;s efforts over the years.  Thanks to Christina and RC (especially RC over the last handful of years), Appo is about to take a hard one up the rear.  All&#039;s fair in politics, eh?  Except...it&#039;s a freaking school board!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;m starting to get from this argument, Joanne&#8217;s VERY VALID points aside, is that one group of people felt they couldn&#8217;t crack the ice, so they want to create an upheaval and change how things are done, to honestly better the chances for their side.  On the other hand, others who have had little complaints about their board and enjoy their representation realize what little chance they&#8217;d have in a polarized environment, due to straight-ticketing; therefore, don&#8217;t want it changed.</p>
<p>That about sums it up.  I will admit of being guilty of the latter.  In Appoquinimink, we enjoy our board&#8217;s efforts over the years.  Thanks to Christina and RC (especially RC over the last handful of years), Appo is about to take a hard one up the rear.  All&#8217;s fair in politics, eh?  Except&#8230;it&#8217;s a freaking school board!</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne Christian</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/06/09/hb-117-passes-the-house/#comment-126071</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanne Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cassandra--Please let me help with your concession.  You are far too wise, and reasoned to allow cynicism to erode this model, when our legislators should be tackling bigger budget implications(if you remember the &quot;original&quot; need for the bill).

The &quot;uninformed voter&quot; seems to stick in &quot;yer craw&quot;, as the target for increased school taxes.  Let me be clear on the way I see it.  &quot;Uninformed&quot; may be a misnomer for &quot;uninterested&quot;.  Sure turn-out may be low, but folks I speak to who haven&#039;t voted never really feel slighted.  They offer the dismissing, or leveled reasoning of not having kids in the school anymore, or no opinion to place a vote in regards to school policy.  No DISTINCT reason at that time to vote.  Now moving on to the &quot;river of money&quot; you describe.  Referenda brings out the voters--quadruple.  It is something locally, and DISTINCTLY they can have a say in.  The nearly 25% of a district&#039;s budget will be reflected in the local will of priority of collecting and spending.  Plain and simple-what the state won&#039;t cover. Your districts&#039; values will be evidenced by where they place that money.  Some districts choose athletic fields, others pick musical instruments.  We have chosen an educator inservice area for large groups, and 100K emergency staffing funding to our K center, when faced with overcrowding--but again, all local funds.  It is knowing that community, and having them underwrite what you hope you have perceived as the community&#039;s priority the key to this local piece.  That type of trust is devoid of any implication of &quot;horse trading&quot;--it is citizen outreach.  Again, I cannot emphasize enough--just because (I don&#039;t know what district you are in) RC and Christina have disappointed those folks, don&#039;t mess up what has worked elsewhere--every year in the current system, you have the chance to throw a bum out. In the words of your very own Rebecca Young--not more Democrats...better Democrats....well amongst the general citizenry it has to be, Not more politicians....better board members.  Please rethink this, and leave legislating to the state, and local policy making to the locals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cassandra&#8211;Please let me help with your concession.  You are far too wise, and reasoned to allow cynicism to erode this model, when our legislators should be tackling bigger budget implications(if you remember the &#8220;original&#8221; need for the bill).</p>
<p>The &#8220;uninformed voter&#8221; seems to stick in &#8220;yer craw&#8221;, as the target for increased school taxes.  Let me be clear on the way I see it.  &#8220;Uninformed&#8221; may be a misnomer for &#8220;uninterested&#8221;.  Sure turn-out may be low, but folks I speak to who haven&#8217;t voted never really feel slighted.  They offer the dismissing, or leveled reasoning of not having kids in the school anymore, or no opinion to place a vote in regards to school policy.  No DISTINCT reason at that time to vote.  Now moving on to the &#8220;river of money&#8221; you describe.  Referenda brings out the voters&#8211;quadruple.  It is something locally, and DISTINCTLY they can have a say in.  The nearly 25% of a district&#8217;s budget will be reflected in the local will of priority of collecting and spending.  Plain and simple-what the state won&#8217;t cover. Your districts&#8217; values will be evidenced by where they place that money.  Some districts choose athletic fields, others pick musical instruments.  We have chosen an educator inservice area for large groups, and 100K emergency staffing funding to our K center, when faced with overcrowding&#8211;but again, all local funds.  It is knowing that community, and having them underwrite what you hope you have perceived as the community&#8217;s priority the key to this local piece.  That type of trust is devoid of any implication of &#8220;horse trading&#8221;&#8211;it is citizen outreach.  Again, I cannot emphasize enough&#8211;just because (I don&#8217;t know what district you are in) RC and Christina have disappointed those folks, don&#8217;t mess up what has worked elsewhere&#8211;every year in the current system, you have the chance to throw a bum out. In the words of your very own Rebecca Young&#8211;not more Democrats&#8230;better Democrats&#8230;.well amongst the general citizenry it has to be, Not more politicians&#8230;.better board members.  Please rethink this, and leave legislating to the state, and local policy making to the locals.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Dunn</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/06/09/hb-117-passes-the-house/#comment-125928</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Dunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a copy of a post I made to Al Loudell&#039;s Blog at WDEL back in April...  :

For the last twenty years, in some Districts, the process has been completely POLITICAL under the disguise of being “a political”.
In the Red Clay S.D., amongst the staunch conservative Republican activists and Board members, they have always taken an active and politically structured approach to the election process. They have done heavy mailings based on demographic studies and databases, as well as utilization of booster records and parent groups when available. And if the data can’t be connected to the candidate for one reason or another, endorsement literature for that candidate is develop, printed, mailed and paid for through PAC’s or non-profit groups.
Without ANY doubt, in some Districts in this State the process has been VERY POLITICAL and has insisted on separate election seasons to allow affluent minority interests in public education to manipulate the process.

Quite often, people who participate in this approach can’t publically argue their position on an issue based on democratic principles, data or merits, so they choose to circumvent the structures that inhibit their philosophic goals.
To them, the end ALWAYS justifies the means.

MOVE SCHOOL BOARD ELECTIONS TO NOVEMBER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a copy of a post I made to Al Loudell&#8217;s Blog at WDEL back in April&#8230;  :</p>
<p>For the last twenty years, in some Districts, the process has been completely POLITICAL under the disguise of being “a political”.<br />
In the Red Clay S.D., amongst the staunch conservative Republican activists and Board members, they have always taken an active and politically structured approach to the election process. They have done heavy mailings based on demographic studies and databases, as well as utilization of booster records and parent groups when available. And if the data can’t be connected to the candidate for one reason or another, endorsement literature for that candidate is develop, printed, mailed and paid for through PAC’s or non-profit groups.<br />
Without ANY doubt, in some Districts in this State the process has been VERY POLITICAL and has insisted on separate election seasons to allow affluent minority interests in public education to manipulate the process.</p>
<p>Quite often, people who participate in this approach can’t publically argue their position on an issue based on democratic principles, data or merits, so they choose to circumvent the structures that inhibit their philosophic goals.<br />
To them, the end ALWAYS justifies the means.</p>
<p>MOVE SCHOOL BOARD ELECTIONS TO NOVEMBER.</p>
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		<title>By: cassandra m</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/06/09/hb-117-passes-the-house/#comment-125768</link>
		<dc:creator>cassandra m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What we don’t need is more uninformed voters and the other byproducts of mixing political parties with the process of picking school boards.&lt;/i&gt;

This is what I mean by drawing the curtain.

But tell you what -- figure out a way to make sure that the &quot;uninformed voters&quot; get exempt from paying the school portion of their taxes and I&#039;m delighted to concede on this thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What we don’t need is more uninformed voters and the other byproducts of mixing political parties with the process of picking school boards.</i></p>
<p>This is what I mean by drawing the curtain.</p>
<p>But tell you what &#8212; figure out a way to make sure that the &#8220;uninformed voters&#8221; get exempt from paying the school portion of their taxes and I&#8217;m delighted to concede on this thing.</p>
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		<title>By: FSP</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/06/09/hb-117-passes-the-house/#comment-125724</link>
		<dc:creator>FSP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I listened to the debate from the floor, and between Kowalko, Lavelle and Booth, it was made plainly obvious how bad the bill was. That&#039;s how scary it is that the thing passed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to the debate from the floor, and between Kowalko, Lavelle and Booth, it was made plainly obvious how bad the bill was. That&#8217;s how scary it is that the thing passed.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/06/09/hb-117-passes-the-house/#comment-125720</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 09:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This legislation is good on paper, but hasn&#039;t been thought out.  This will disenfranchise people who aren&#039;t registered to vote since you don&#039;t need to be registered to vote in a school board election.  Different RD&#039;s and SD&#039;s may be in different school districts - multiple different ballots will need to be developed and election workers need to make sure that the voting machines are set correctly for each person.  While this isn&#039;t a problem in primaries (when we have a much lower turn-out), general elections with higher turn-outs will mean longer lines at the polling place.

And you will now have school board members taking office in the middle of a fiscal year, when adjustments might have to be made and many newly elected board members are not going to be up to speed on what changes may need to take place.  

Good idea - bad legislation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This legislation is good on paper, but hasn&#8217;t been thought out.  This will disenfranchise people who aren&#8217;t registered to vote since you don&#8217;t need to be registered to vote in a school board election.  Different RD&#8217;s and SD&#8217;s may be in different school districts &#8211; multiple different ballots will need to be developed and election workers need to make sure that the voting machines are set correctly for each person.  While this isn&#8217;t a problem in primaries (when we have a much lower turn-out), general elections with higher turn-outs will mean longer lines at the polling place.</p>
<p>And you will now have school board members taking office in the middle of a fiscal year, when adjustments might have to be made and many newly elected board members are not going to be up to speed on what changes may need to take place.  </p>
<p>Good idea &#8211; bad legislation.</p>
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		<title>By: John Young</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/06/09/hb-117-passes-the-house/#comment-125704</link>
		<dc:creator>John Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 04:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My total spending was in the $600 range. Very reasonable to try and let people know who I was to try and win their vote. GOt me some signs, pamphlets and website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My total spending was in the $600 range. Very reasonable to try and let people know who I was to try and win their vote. GOt me some signs, pamphlets and website.</p>
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		<title>By: John Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 04:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post Joanne.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great post Joanne.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne Christian</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/06/09/hb-117-passes-the-house/#comment-125700</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanne Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 03:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just getting word of this, as myself and many school board members were in our monthly meetings this pm, tied up with our respective district&#039;s business.  Ed Czerwinski will now be replaced after ten years of high-paced, sweat of his brow, honest, engaged, advocacy for education in Delaware, and specifically in Appoquinimink.  He did not hesitate to go toe to toe w/ any legislator at any level to advance public education in this state.  He 


was feted tonite, by those who are well aware of his drive and push for funding, and fundamentals of 21st century skills needed for our students today.  He brought his case, and made his case to anyone in position to act--because of the unafilliated position in education that can trump any risk of political fall-out, or suspicion of political pay-off.  I am real sorry you folks in RC or Christina claim to have a hard time with politics, but do we really need to dial down education to the least common denominator of decision, and service--POLITICS?  Spare the &quot;it&#039;s already there&quot; speech..if it is....YOU let it in...and didn&#039;t have the strength of conviction to go against a machine.  Five individuals ran for our board seat, and I did not see one mention or connection to any party or idealogy.  Looking around I would say 300 hundred bucks MAY have been the top dollar spent.  Well, this bill has now cleared the path for some of us other districts to become just like you.  If what you say is true--no thanks--I prefer my local citizens, not my local party running the local school board..  It is a sad day when you applaud what you have done for your state government, by going against the machine and sending Markell to Dover, but no hesitancy in usurping a volunteer, local position, and condemning it to party play.  Regardless of the untagged candidate--broke and vulnerable have a certain appeal to both parties and prostitutes.  What a shame the  school board goes the way of the brothel.
I will be in mourning, until our good Senators can see the folly of the House decision, and keep the boards as boards--local policy makers--and not their personal bedmakers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just getting word of this, as myself and many school board members were in our monthly meetings this pm, tied up with our respective district&#8217;s business.  Ed Czerwinski will now be replaced after ten years of high-paced, sweat of his brow, honest, engaged, advocacy for education in Delaware, and specifically in Appoquinimink.  He did not hesitate to go toe to toe w/ any legislator at any level to advance public education in this state.  He </p>
<p>was feted tonite, by those who are well aware of his drive and push for funding, and fundamentals of 21st century skills needed for our students today.  He brought his case, and made his case to anyone in position to act&#8211;because of the unafilliated position in education that can trump any risk of political fall-out, or suspicion of political pay-off.  I am real sorry you folks in RC or Christina claim to have a hard time with politics, but do we really need to dial down education to the least common denominator of decision, and service&#8211;POLITICS?  Spare the &#8220;it&#8217;s already there&#8221; speech..if it is&#8230;.YOU let it in&#8230;and didn&#8217;t have the strength of conviction to go against a machine.  Five individuals ran for our board seat, and I did not see one mention or connection to any party or idealogy.  Looking around I would say 300 hundred bucks MAY have been the top dollar spent.  Well, this bill has now cleared the path for some of us other districts to become just like you.  If what you say is true&#8211;no thanks&#8211;I prefer my local citizens, not my local party running the local school board..  It is a sad day when you applaud what you have done for your state government, by going against the machine and sending Markell to Dover, but no hesitancy in usurping a volunteer, local position, and condemning it to party play.  Regardless of the untagged candidate&#8211;broke and vulnerable have a certain appeal to both parties and prostitutes.  What a shame the  school board goes the way of the brothel.<br />
I will be in mourning, until our good Senators can see the folly of the House decision, and keep the boards as boards&#8211;local policy makers&#8211;and not their personal bedmakers.</p>
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		<title>By: pandora</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/06/09/hb-117-passes-the-house/#comment-125686</link>
		<dc:creator>pandora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And maybe I&#039;m offering a big heads up of what could happen.  Right now a lot of districts outside North Wilmington are homogenized, ever wonder what might happen if, and when, they weren&#039;t?

For instance, school boards decide which neighborhood schools will house the alternative program?  Ever think how having your neighborhood school turn into an alternative or high poverty school might effect your property values?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And maybe I&#8217;m offering a big heads up of what could happen.  Right now a lot of districts outside North Wilmington are homogenized, ever wonder what might happen if, and when, they weren&#8217;t?</p>
<p>For instance, school boards decide which neighborhood schools will house the alternative program?  Ever think how having your neighborhood school turn into an alternative or high poverty school might effect your property values?</p>
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		<title>By: John Manifold</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Manifold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Results of recent Red Clay overthrow confirm that Longhurst&#039;s bill not needed for grass roots change to occur.  What we don&#039;t need is more uninformed voters and the other byproducts of mixing political parties with the process of picking school boards.  

As Aristotle pointed out, all interactions are political, especially including governance.  That doesn&#039;t mean that political &lt;b&gt; parties &lt;/b&gt; belong in that process.   Hockessin&#039;s dominance of Red Clay could have been addressed by legislation that permitted people only to vote for the SB rep in their own districts, but that has proven not to be necessary.  The good guys won without this silly proposal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Results of recent Red Clay overthrow confirm that Longhurst&#8217;s bill not needed for grass roots change to occur.  What we don&#8217;t need is more uninformed voters and the other byproducts of mixing political parties with the process of picking school boards.  </p>
<p>As Aristotle pointed out, all interactions are political, especially including governance.  That doesn&#8217;t mean that political <b> parties </b> belong in that process.   Hockessin&#8217;s dominance of Red Clay could have been addressed by legislation that permitted people only to vote for the SB rep in their own districts, but that has proven not to be necessary.  The good guys won without this silly proposal.</p>
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		<title>By: John Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The fact that you are unpaid doesn’t obviate the fact that you stepped up and asked people to give you this job&quot;

Of course it doesn&#039;t. I am merely commenting on the expectations of the voters.

As for making no sense: &quot;But none of that is reason to draw the curtain around the process&quot;

There is no curtain except the one you imagine. The current process is just as accessible as running it in the General. AS for saving money, Longhurst povided NO FISCAL NOTE. For that alone, I just call bullshit, 117 is total bullshit.</description>
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<p>Of course it doesn&#8217;t. I am merely commenting on the expectations of the voters.</p>
<p>As for making no sense: &#8220;But none of that is reason to draw the curtain around the process&#8221;</p>
<p>There is no curtain except the one you imagine. The current process is just as accessible as running it in the General. AS for saving money, Longhurst povided NO FISCAL NOTE. For that alone, I just call bullshit, 117 is total bullshit.</p>
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