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		<title>By: Common Sense Political Thought &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Which City Would You Sacrifice?</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/04/19/finally-some-truth/#comment-112735</link>
		<dc:creator>Common Sense Political Thought &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Which City Would You Sacrifice?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] memos on interrogation techniques, the Left have renewed their cry for war crimes trials (see here). Since the Position Expiration Date has passed, President Obama, too, seems eager to prosecute [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] memos on interrogation techniques, the Left have renewed their cry for war crimes trials (see here). Since the Position Expiration Date has passed, President Obama, too, seems eager to prosecute [...]</p>
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		<title>By: cassandra_m</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/04/19/finally-some-truth/#comment-112236</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UI pointed to Marcy Wheeler&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/18/khalid-sheikh-mohammed-was-waterboarded-183-times-in-one-month/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;incredible post&lt;/a&gt; on the waterboarding evidence earlier and this deserves to be front paged at the NYT.

&lt;i&gt;“According to the May 30, 2005 Bradbury memo, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times in March 2003 and Abu Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times in August 2002.”&lt;/i&gt;
Those kind of numbers certainly argue against any real utility of the process, but Marcy also notes that the process by which these two were waterboarded goes beyond the guidelines that the memos gave interrogators.

In a perfect world these interrogators would be prosecuted.  Especially these interrogators who got beyond even the pretty broad guidelines of the memos.  But those prosecutions won&#039;t mean much unless the people who gave them the go-ahead are prosecuted.  Obama&#039;s statement that he doesn&#039;t want to place the blame for history glosses over the fact that placing the blame for past actions is exactly what the justice system does.  And &quot;Never Again&quot; won&#039;t mean much until the justice system has its say.  Because &quot;Never Again&quot; becomes a policy choice -- not the law of the land.

So let&#039;s not fool ourselves here -- Obama made a political decision here.  An understandable one,because prosecuting these folks would certainly be throwing red meat into the shark pool.  Because even the few GOP and other party voices who were not supportive of torture would choose to attack the apparent weakness of prosecuting for past GOP crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UI pointed to Marcy Wheeler&#8217;s <a href="http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/18/khalid-sheikh-mohammed-was-waterboarded-183-times-in-one-month/" rel="nofollow">incredible post</a> on the waterboarding evidence earlier and this deserves to be front paged at the NYT.</p>
<p><i>“According to the May 30, 2005 Bradbury memo, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times in March 2003 and Abu Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times in August 2002.”</i><br />
Those kind of numbers certainly argue against any real utility of the process, but Marcy also notes that the process by which these two were waterboarded goes beyond the guidelines that the memos gave interrogators.</p>
<p>In a perfect world these interrogators would be prosecuted.  Especially these interrogators who got beyond even the pretty broad guidelines of the memos.  But those prosecutions won&#8217;t mean much unless the people who gave them the go-ahead are prosecuted.  Obama&#8217;s statement that he doesn&#8217;t want to place the blame for history glosses over the fact that placing the blame for past actions is exactly what the justice system does.  And &#8220;Never Again&#8221; won&#8217;t mean much until the justice system has its say.  Because &#8220;Never Again&#8221; becomes a policy choice &#8212; not the law of the land.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s not fool ourselves here &#8212; Obama made a political decision here.  An understandable one,because prosecuting these folks would certainly be throwing red meat into the shark pool.  Because even the few GOP and other party voices who were not supportive of torture would choose to attack the apparent weakness of prosecuting for past GOP crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: anonone</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/04/19/finally-some-truth/#comment-112232</link>
		<dc:creator>anonone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody - ANYBODY - who says that any torturing by American agents is acceptable is also saying that it is OK for America&#039;s troops to be tortured if captured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody &#8211; ANYBODY &#8211; who says that any torturing by American agents is acceptable is also saying that it is OK for America&#8217;s troops to be tortured if captured.</p>
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		<title>By: Donsquishydishimaharishi</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/04/19/finally-some-truth/#comment-112209</link>
		<dc:creator>Donsquishydishimaharishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what amazes me is the intellectual leap that the GOP and others can&#039;t make when you say it could be you being tortured illegally.  

It&#039;s only dirty, crazy muslims</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what amazes me is the intellectual leap that the GOP and others can&#8217;t make when you say it could be you being tortured illegally.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s only dirty, crazy muslims</p>
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		<title>By: nemski</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/04/19/finally-some-truth/#comment-112207</link>
		<dc:creator>nemski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be nice if McCain and his crony Lieberman would step up and do the right thing here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be nice if McCain and his crony Lieberman would step up and do the right thing here.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Willing</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/04/19/finally-some-truth/#comment-112206</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Willing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As unappetizing as Jensen or Scarborough&#039;s scoffing at torture may be, torture is also against international law. 

There is a mighty troubling inability by the GOP to recognize and acknowedge the strength, peace and safety inherent in world treaties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As unappetizing as Jensen or Scarborough&#8217;s scoffing at torture may be, torture is also against international law. </p>
<p>There is a mighty troubling inability by the GOP to recognize and acknowedge the strength, peace and safety inherent in world treaties.</p>
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