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		<title>By: Emergent Morality #1: thou shalt not impede information flow &#124; GENOMICON</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/04/07/youve-already-lost/#comment-110149</link>
		<dc:creator>Emergent Morality #1: thou shalt not impede information flow &#124; GENOMICON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 04:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] IP industries have (to paraphrase Mike Gronstal) already lost. To paraphrase is daughter &#8220;‘You guys don’t understand. You’ve already [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rhymes With Right</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/04/07/youve-already-lost/#comment-109527</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhymes With Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 01:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, we cannot have the people of Iowa thinking that they have any right to alter or abolish their current framework of government so as to reflect their will.  Don&#039;t they know that the people are the servants, not the masters, of government?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, we cannot have the people of Iowa thinking that they have any right to alter or abolish their current framework of government so as to reflect their will.  Don&#8217;t they know that the people are the servants, not the masters, of government?</p>
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		<title>By: Iowa Liberal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;My generation doesn&#8217;t care.&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/04/07/youve-already-lost/#comment-109491</link>
		<dc:creator>Iowa Liberal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;My generation doesn&#8217;t care.&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hat tip to DL. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/04/07/youve-already-lost/#comment-109477</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh believe me,  I know a number of republicans who would resort to violence just to get a point across and I know many supposedly good republicans who would wink an eye and let it happen. I live in a neighborhood full of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh believe me,  I know a number of republicans who would resort to violence just to get a point across and I know many supposedly good republicans who would wink an eye and let it happen. I live in a neighborhood full of them.</p>
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		<title>By: cassandra_m</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/04/07/youve-already-lost/#comment-109473</link>
		<dc:creator>cassandra_m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Aside, carte-blanche labelling is also a problem&lt;/i&gt;

And it is a good point.  But one I don&#039;t think would be so much of a problem if the world was talking about the Republicans doing something positive.

But I do understand how you feel Smitty -- it was out of feelings not unlike yours that the Daily Kos came into being.  And the biggest reason why they became successful wasn&#039;t about the technology or the New New thing -- it was because a group of fairly like-minded (and like marginalized) people could get together precisely to get themselves heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Aside, carte-blanche labelling is also a problem</i></p>
<p>And it is a good point.  But one I don&#8217;t think would be so much of a problem if the world was talking about the Republicans doing something positive.</p>
<p>But I do understand how you feel Smitty &#8212; it was out of feelings not unlike yours that the Daily Kos came into being.  And the biggest reason why they became successful wasn&#8217;t about the technology or the New New thing &#8212; it was because a group of fairly like-minded (and like marginalized) people could get together precisely to get themselves heard.</p>
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		<title>By: RSmitty</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/04/07/youve-already-lost/#comment-109467</link>
		<dc:creator>RSmitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>only if it&#039;s deep fried.

my point stands, tho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>only if it&#8217;s deep fried.</p>
<p>my point stands, tho.</p>
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		<title>By: Donsquishydishimaharishi</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/04/07/youve-already-lost/#comment-109466</link>
		<dc:creator>Donsquishydishimaharishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>carte-blanche?  is that a new vegetable at Friday&#039;s?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>carte-blanche?  is that a new vegetable at Friday&#8217;s?</p>
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		<title>By: RSmitty</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/04/07/youve-already-lost/#comment-109462</link>
		<dc:creator>RSmitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I am no popular breed and I admit that and those who know me (agreeable or not) see that as well.  Unfortunately, those who are agreeable with me are admittedly a more passive lot and that&#039;s an absolute problem.

Aside, carte-blanche labelling is also a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I am no popular breed and I admit that and those who know me (agreeable or not) see that as well.  Unfortunately, those who are agreeable with me are admittedly a more passive lot and that&#8217;s an absolute problem.</p>
<p>Aside, carte-blanche labelling is also a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: cassandra_m</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/04/07/youve-already-lost/#comment-109460</link>
		<dc:creator>cassandra_m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;DL, the whole, has made it a theme, though. How many posts lately have mentioned any amount of Republicans condoning/promoting/creating/causing/instigating/emulating/propagating/supporting some form of violence?&lt;/i&gt;

There have been alot.  But there hasn&#039;t been much from the sane Republican side (if you can identify those who are) to report on who are pushing back on this stuff.  And -- to be fair -- the fear and loathing stuff has been a fairly singular message from the leadership (whether the entertainment side OR the elected side) since September.  At least.  And it shouldn&#039;t be too far of a stretch to empathize with one of the reasons we spend time looking at that fear and loathing -- not only is it not true (and that fact not exactly pointed out by our liberal media) but it pointed at us.  Liberals.  We should be concerned about people who are living in false narratives that are provided to them that help them see others as threats to be eliminated.

Certainly not all Republicans buy into this stupidity, and we all know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you do not.  But even you would agree that you are no longer representative of those in your party with the megaphones any more.  And those who do have megaphones and who are more sane certainly aren&#039;t stepping up to ask their colleagues to put away their GI Joe dolls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>DL, the whole, has made it a theme, though. How many posts lately have mentioned any amount of Republicans condoning/promoting/creating/causing/instigating/emulating/propagating/supporting some form of violence?</i></p>
<p>There have been alot.  But there hasn&#8217;t been much from the sane Republican side (if you can identify those who are) to report on who are pushing back on this stuff.  And &#8212; to be fair &#8212; the fear and loathing stuff has been a fairly singular message from the leadership (whether the entertainment side OR the elected side) since September.  At least.  And it shouldn&#8217;t be too far of a stretch to empathize with one of the reasons we spend time looking at that fear and loathing &#8212; not only is it not true (and that fact not exactly pointed out by our liberal media) but it pointed at us.  Liberals.  We should be concerned about people who are living in false narratives that are provided to them that help them see others as threats to be eliminated.</p>
<p>Certainly not all Republicans buy into this stupidity, and we all know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you do not.  But even you would agree that you are no longer representative of those in your party with the megaphones any more.  And those who do have megaphones and who are more sane certainly aren&#8217;t stepping up to ask their colleagues to put away their GI Joe dolls.</p>
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		<title>By: RSmitty</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/04/07/youve-already-lost/#comment-109455</link>
		<dc:creator>RSmitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The big problem I see for the Republican party in general is that we don’t see anyone leader emerging that is fighting back against this dangerous rhetoric. &lt;/i&gt;

If one tries, he/she gets blasted from the further right for being too liberal and then blasted from the left for being lost and too stupid for being a Republican.  Ain&#039;t it a fun game?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The big problem I see for the Republican party in general is that we don’t see anyone leader emerging that is fighting back against this dangerous rhetoric. </i></p>
<p>If one tries, he/she gets blasted from the further right for being too liberal and then blasted from the left for being lost and too stupid for being a Republican.  Ain&#8217;t it a fun game?</p>
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		<title>By: delacrat</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/04/07/youve-already-lost/#comment-109452</link>
		<dc:creator>delacrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unemployment is 8.5% ....and rising and  retirement savings... say no more.  Neighbors in  foreclosure, (there goes &lt;i&gt;your&lt;/i&gt; home equity!).  Your health insurance, if you still got, you soon won&#039;t. President Drone thinks we can bomb our way out of Iraq and afghanland (and into pakiland, Iran, N. Korea....).   The US dollar is near future toilet paper.

and ......people have their $%@&#039;s  in a knot over  who&#039;s sackin&#039; with who ??????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unemployment is 8.5% &#8230;.and rising and  retirement savings&#8230; say no more.  Neighbors in  foreclosure, (there goes <i>your</i> home equity!).  Your health insurance, if you still got, you soon won&#8217;t. President Drone thinks we can bomb our way out of Iraq and afghanland (and into pakiland, Iran, N. Korea&#8230;.).   The US dollar is near future toilet paper.</p>
<p>and &#8230;&#8230;people have their $%@&#8217;s  in a knot over  who&#8217;s sackin&#8217; with who ??????</p>
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		<title>By: Unstable Isotope</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/04/07/youve-already-lost/#comment-109449</link>
		<dc:creator>Unstable Isotope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smitty, I see your point, I really do.  And I agree with it mostly.  Most Republicans aren&#039;t violent and don&#039;t condone violence, it&#039;s only a group of them that does.  But really, how much of this talk are we supposed to take before we start fighting back?  This kind of talk makes me really scared.  I think bringing attention to it early and often is really the only way to bring back some sanity.  The big problem I see for the Republican party in general is that we don&#039;t see anyone leader emerging that is fighting back against this dangerous rhetoric.  Once one even gives the mildest condemnation of someone like Rush Limbaugh, he or she has to go crawling in apology within days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smitty, I see your point, I really do.  And I agree with it mostly.  Most Republicans aren&#8217;t violent and don&#8217;t condone violence, it&#8217;s only a group of them that does.  But really, how much of this talk are we supposed to take before we start fighting back?  This kind of talk makes me really scared.  I think bringing attention to it early and often is really the only way to bring back some sanity.  The big problem I see for the Republican party in general is that we don&#8217;t see anyone leader emerging that is fighting back against this dangerous rhetoric.  Once one even gives the mildest condemnation of someone like Rush Limbaugh, he or she has to go crawling in apology within days.</p>
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		<title>By: RSmitty</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/04/07/youve-already-lost/#comment-109446</link>
		<dc:creator>RSmitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DD - discourse is dead.  At least anywhere I look it is, especially in our blogosphere.  Too few are the conversations where differing opinions actually are given the effort of insightful thinking and discovery that they truly offer.  Instead, it&#039;s ad-hominems and talking point bravado that rule the roost.

Damn it.  I knew I shouldn&#039;t have stopped my Lexpro scripts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DD &#8211; discourse is dead.  At least anywhere I look it is, especially in our blogosphere.  Too few are the conversations where differing opinions actually are given the effort of insightful thinking and discovery that they truly offer.  Instead, it&#8217;s ad-hominems and talking point bravado that rule the roost.</p>
<p>Damn it.  I knew I shouldn&#8217;t have stopped my Lexpro scripts.</p>
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		<title>By: RSmitty</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/04/07/youve-already-lost/#comment-109445</link>
		<dc:creator>RSmitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I know I segmented the crap out of this post, but why can&#039;t I use that segment and join it with the reocurring them of DL as of late?  No, DD didn&#039;t claim that all are violent in this post.  DL, the whole, has made it a theme, though.  How many posts lately have mentioned any amount of Republicans condoning/promoting/creating/causing/instigating/emulating/propagating/supporting some form of violence?  Hence, my summation of all that as Republican = violence.  :roll:

Seriously, I&#039;m looking at a classification of a mass group of people.  You all know me, so I know it&#039;s not on me, personally, but what if another person like me, that a loyal reader of DL randomly meets finds out said-Progressive-minded-Republican is a registered &quot;R,&quot; but suddenly fears for his/her life because Republicans=violence?  Is group classification OK?

I&#039;m just tired of the hate rhetoric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I know I segmented the crap out of this post, but why can&#8217;t I use that segment and join it with the reocurring them of DL as of late?  No, DD didn&#8217;t claim that all are violent in this post.  DL, the whole, has made it a theme, though.  How many posts lately have mentioned any amount of Republicans condoning/promoting/creating/causing/instigating/emulating/propagating/supporting some form of violence?  Hence, my summation of all that as Republican = violence.  <img src='http://www.delawareliberal.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seriously, I&#8217;m looking at a classification of a mass group of people.  You all know me, so I know it&#8217;s not on me, personally, but what if another person like me, that a loyal reader of DL randomly meets finds out said-Progressive-minded-Republican is a registered &#8220;R,&#8221; but suddenly fears for his/her life because Republicans=violence?  Is group classification OK?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just tired of the hate rhetoric.</p>
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		<title>By: Unstable Isotope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unstable Isotope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly, pandora.  The problem for them with the violent rhetoric isn&#039;t just one crazy guy.  It&#039;s one crazy network and some crazy leadership.

Anyway, a great tidbit from the Iowa court decision, which totally blows away one of David Anderson&#039;s defenses: &lt;i&gt;what about the children!&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;The statute, the court found, is under-inclusive because it does not exclude from marriage other groups of parents—such as child abusers, sexual predators, parents neglecting to provide child support, and violent felons—that are undeniably less than optimal parents. If the marriage statute was truly focused on optimal parenting, many lassifications of people would be excluded, not merely gay and lesbian people. The statute is also under-inclusive because it does not prohibit same-sex couples from raising children in Iowa. The statute is over-inclusive because not all same-sex couples choose to raise children. The court further noted that the County failed to show how the best interests of children of gay and lesbian parents, who are denied an environment supported by the benefits of marriage under the statute, are served by the ban, or how the ban benefits the interests of children of heterosexual parents. Thus, the court concluded a classification that limits civil marriage to opposite-sex couples is simply not substantially related to the objective of promoting the optimal environment to raise children.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I also just read that Washington D.C. voted to recognize same-sex marriages from out of state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, pandora.  The problem for them with the violent rhetoric isn&#8217;t just one crazy guy.  It&#8217;s one crazy network and some crazy leadership.</p>
<p>Anyway, a great tidbit from the Iowa court decision, which totally blows away one of David Anderson&#8217;s defenses: <i>what about the children!</i></p>
<blockquote><p>The statute, the court found, is under-inclusive because it does not exclude from marriage other groups of parents—such as child abusers, sexual predators, parents neglecting to provide child support, and violent felons—that are undeniably less than optimal parents. If the marriage statute was truly focused on optimal parenting, many lassifications of people would be excluded, not merely gay and lesbian people. The statute is also under-inclusive because it does not prohibit same-sex couples from raising children in Iowa. The statute is over-inclusive because not all same-sex couples choose to raise children. The court further noted that the County failed to show how the best interests of children of gay and lesbian parents, who are denied an environment supported by the benefits of marriage under the statute, are served by the ban, or how the ban benefits the interests of children of heterosexual parents. Thus, the court concluded a classification that limits civil marriage to opposite-sex couples is simply not substantially related to the objective of promoting the optimal environment to raise children.</p></blockquote>
<p>I also just read that Washington D.C. voted to recognize same-sex marriages from out of state.</p>
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