Why Liz Allen is an Anti-Semite and I’m tired of it…
I’m calling Liz Allen out. For all the “good” Liz brings to the table, I’m tired of her rabid anti-semitism. I don’t give a shit who you are, you don’t get to be a racist and continue to post over here Liz.
Knock it the fuck off. If you want to peddle your Anti-Semit bullshit, then do it somewhere else. Your conspiracy lunacy gets a pretty fair shake over here and too many people tolerate you because you bring a few cards to the table that apparently are worthy of not banning your racist ass. We get it, you don’t like Jews. We all know it. So grow the fuck up. You obviously have a brain between your ears, so take off the conspiracy hat for one freaking second. Step back away from the Star of David and recognize your little barbs are not welcomed and disgusting.
Comments like these cross the line:
I do not believe in the Jewish book of Fairy tales the Bible.
I’m sure there are more. If you know of them, please put them in the comments.
this one Cass pointed me too:
When will this country wake up. Bernanke is an orthodox Jew, and refused to answer Bernie Sanders questions on “where the money went”. They are freaking robbing the US, and we still stand behind them 100%! Wake up and smell the robbery without a gun people.
You are sick Liz and enough is enough.
l’chiam!
Yeah, it is pretty obvious she is antisemitic. I mean, if you were opposed to the Bible, why not refer to it as a Christian book of fairy tales, for we Christians read and follow the Old Testement too. That she refers to it as “Jewish” reveals her bias.
And a bias towards the Jewish people is just as unacceptable and evil as racism is. To believe that all bankers are Jewish and have nefarious goals just because they are Jewish is just as ignorant as saying all African Americans love Fried Chicken or are lazy.
And to be sure, we have banned outright racist comments before, and I wonder if we shouldn’t now.
let her have her freedom of speech. you ban Nazis from speaking in any kind of media, and they blame the Jews for controlling the media. As a Jew, I know the only way to fight anti semitic is let them speak, than ridicule them in front of every one… I.E “SPringtime for Hitler” from “Producers” Mel Brooks made it (still makes it) his life work to get people to laugh at Hitler
True enough.
Well said, a. I’ll just go back to ignoring her comments.
Another bit of Liz’s crazy anti-Jewish ranting here.
Liz is busily participating in the revival of an ancient and abhorrent scapegoating that is a real thing on the very far right. It is incredibly thoughtless and clueless even for her.
Just ignore her. a. price is absolutely correct.
Not to defend Liz on the two highlighted statements, I’ll let her defend herself, but I must say that the label “anti-Semite” is too easily applied, most often to folks who criticize certain Israeli policies.
We just had a recent example, that of Charles Freeman, former Ambassador to Saudi Arabia. Obama selected him to be Chairman of the National Intelligence Council, from which he withdrew several days ago.
Did you see him on the Fareed Zakaria GPS show today?
According to Freeman, he was virtually inundated with innuendo, false statements, and personal attacks by the right wing American Israel Lobby backed by the Israeli Likud. He named Senator Chuck Schumer as being a leader in the attacks.
Here is his reason for withdrawal: “In a note to friends and supporters, Freeman said he had withdrawn from consideration after concluding that “the barrage of libelous distortions” of his record would not end when he took office.
“I do not believe the National Intelligence Council could function effectively while its chair was under constant attack by unscrupulous people with a passionate attachment to the views of a political faction in a foreign country,” Freeman wrote.”
http://www.portfolio.com/business-news/reuters/2009/03/10/us-intelligence-candidate-pulls-out-after-objections
There is something terribly wrong when this sort of intimidation occurs.
We have a serious problem when some Israeli policy critics are labeled anti-Semites. Charles Freeman was made into a victim by these wild Israeli right-wing partisans, unfortunately.
It appears that a post that I just submitted was not posted.
It was about Charles Freeman, who was accused of being an anti-Semite by the American Israeli Lobby backed by Israeli Likud, who then removed himself from consideration to become the Chairman of the National Intelligence Council.
What happened???
Your post was released from moderation, Perry.
And comparing Freeman’s persecution here to what Liz is doing is all kinds of wrong. There is just no comparison.
perry, i think you have the situations confused. I totally agree that we are way too sensitive to criticism of Israel. If you look at the disagreements they have internally, it would be impossible for any American politician to totally agree and support the “Israeli agenda”.
I Personally feel the Likud are a bunch of war hawk shandas (disgraces to Jews for all you Goyem (non jews) )
Freeman’s ouster was a mistake.
There is a difference between having issues with the policy of Israel or Israelis, and having a problem with Jews.
Liz seems to have a problem with Jews. and for that we should point, laugh, and make her feel bad and stupid.
Re Liz, I do not think you should silence her because you do not like her views. Let the readers of your blog do the responding.
My response: Since the Israelis have used their scriptures to justify their acquisition of Palestinian lands, there is a reasonable debate to be had on the validity of their arguments.
Regarding Liz’s generalization about those responsible for the bank failures, I would ask her to substantiate her claim, which I don’t believe she can do.
OK, now the post has appeared. I’ve not seen this delay before on this blog, which is why I questioned it’s disappearance (now temporary). Thanks.
Point taken, a. price. We agree!
Cassandra, I did not mean to equate Liz’s statement to the Freeman situation.
I do maintain that the “anti-Semite” label is thrown around too readily, as was done to Freeman.
Freeman sounds like a moderately unstable (if there is such a thing) whackjob. His instant flying-off-the-handle reaction to this mess made me glad he backed off from the job. If I were you, I wouldn’t make him my symbol of how the Israel lobby is controlling everything.
And besides… isn’t that just politics? One side pushes, the other side pushes back. Somebody wins. Don’t cry about it.
Perry says:
I’ll let her defend herself, but I must say that the label “anti-Semite” is too easily applied, most often to folks who criticize certain Israeli policies.
The above statement may be true, but has nothing to do with what Liz said in her posts. Liz specifically said things that were inappropriate and Anti-Semitic. No example of a diplomat in Saudi Arabia is relevant, except probably in the mind of a fellow wingnut racist who found this poor narrative on some blog of their wingnut racists…
Liz is scapegoating in the banker comment. She references ‘Bernanke is an orthodox Jew’ in a comment where she claims ‘they’ are robbing us. The bible comment speaks for itself.
Anti-Semetic – Racist – Hillbilly KK Ignorant – whatever you want to call it – Guilty!
Why even argue the point Perry? Except to demonstrate you are of her mindset?
And I am very adamantly against Israeli policy in general, and believe that particularly in the case of the Palestinian issues that their policy is murderous and crewel. It does not logically follow that Jews are bad people. Or that they even agree with the policy. Or that they are all in a giant super secret plot to take over the globe… that is retarded.
I must say, i looked in to Freeman a bit more, and he doesn’t seem to posses the right mindset for the job. so i retract my feelings about him loosing the post. Perry, you got into a tough argument here.
Not Brian… perry hasn’t said anything to indicate he is in agreement with Liz, and he has a very good point about the anti semitism card being played too much. With Freeman, he seems a bit crazy. perry is in the wrong argument. Being critical of the Israeli right Wing nuts and still being a fan of the Jews is another debate.
this is about people who think Jews are bad and have ruined their lives because they were morons, didn’t bathe, caught the plague and thought their well was poisoned by those of us who weren’t sick. … sorry that metaphor drew on a lot…. In the dark ages a lot of Christians thought bathing was a sin, Jews didn’t. When the “holy” got sick from wallowing in their own filth, they blamed the Jews. who weren’t sick (and clean)
As it happens, I know a woman — Art knows her as well — who is educated, seems reasonably intelligent, liberal to the bone, who is a thorough anti-Semite in exactly the manner you have categorized Miss Allen as being. (I don’t know enough about Miss Allen to either agree with or dispute your judgement.)
This lady, a wealthy widow, has continually told us, in an e-mail group to which I used to belong (I left when this lady made an absolutely repugnant personal comment about my daughter) that the entire American financial system is controlled by Jews, and that everything which went wrong was the fault of the Jews. What really got to me was her contention that if Jews have been discriminated against down through the ages, by every other group, perhaps the Jews ought to be asking themselves if it was something that they were doing that was causing it. She’d never have made a similar statement about blacks.
Interestingly enough, that e-mail group had a lady in it who is Jewish, and with whom the anti-Semite agreed on almost every other topic.
This lady was a world traveler, claimed to be fluent in four languages (and I have seen her use both German and Spanish), had a husband who was a very high powered executive for a global company before he died, and would seem, by every measure, to be very unlikely to be an anti-Semite, but she most certainly was.
Perhaps it was her unwavering support for the Palestinians that pushed her in that direction; I really don’t know. But when she said that sensible American Jews ought to change their names to not sound Jewish — something that was rather common seventy years ago — I lost it.
Dana, i’m not quite sure what your point is
That this is much more common than you think.
oh. haha i know people hate the jews. It is one of the few things left and right can agree on.
Freeman certainly has responded quite harshly (deserved, IMO) to the extraordinary pushback he got from the usual Israel interest groups and politicians. At worst, I think, you could call the guy a contrarian arrayed against the usual political balance towards Israel. A good thing, in my mind. But not someone who would actually betray the usual policy, but a real voice at the table arguing against the status quo.
There is some speculation now that the fact that the DNI tried to appoint Freeman now makes the DNI’s “Israel cred” suspect. Not sure how good that speculation is, but it is out there.
You can’t be liberal to the bone and hold intolerant bigoted views. It is mutually exclusive. Sure, some liberals are bigoted, just as some conservatives are.
I am just saying that if you are antisemitic and a liberal, then you are a hypocrite.
here is the problem. some liberals have been raised to see Jews as right wing evil people. Think about how libs see the evangelical movement. Sure there can be good Evans, but in general, i know we kind of look down upon it. Anti Semitism has been around for about 2 minutes less than jews have been around. Some of it is based on hate, some of it is based on ignorance.
I will say there are a lot of Jewish people who i would blame for continuing a stereotype. That doesn’t excuse any of it. I still think about the much bigger family I would have if so many of my grandparent’s siblings and cousins had not been killed because of people like Dana’s friend and Liz every time they open their ignorant mouths.
DD: The lady to whom I have referred doesn’t even see herself as anti-Semitic. Rather, she thinks that she is being completely rational and logical.
my point exactly. Eisenhower, after liberating a concentration camp went to the towns and got the Germans to come out. he forced them to see what their compliance had caused and made them burry those who had not been burned. the most dangerous people are those like your friend Dana. they think they are rational, but THEY are what allows thing like the Holocaust to have happened
a. price wrote:
Thing is, Jews are the second most loyal Democratic voting bloc there is, giving roughly 75% of their votes to Democrats. Further, American Jews tend to be concentrated in East Coast urban areas, which are more liberal than the nation as a whole, and their votes and politics are generally liberal.
In a way, Senator Joseph Lieberman is very much a typical American Jew: he’s very concerned about the survival of Israel, and he’s made a couple of noises on domestic politics that Republicans don’t hate — think school vouchers — but, on the whole, he’s a fairly liberal Democratic politician. If “some liberals have been raised to see Jews as right wing evil people,” then even if they were looking solely at the stereotype, they’d be looking at it very narrowly, almost certainly solely at the support for Israel.
What a freakin snow job. Here we go anyone who calls out the zionists (notice I did not say Jews), because there are jews who despise what the zionists are doing to Palestinans in their name.
I am not an anti semitic by any stretch of your liberal imagination. Calling someone an anti semitic for speaking agains what zionists do is exactly what Freeman is talking about it.
My grandsons are Jewish, not zionists, Many friends are Jewish, not zionists. Damn if you fools don’t know the difference or havent studied the topic, why dont you attend some of the Pacem en Terris meetings that are going on right now.
There is a book you should read: “They Dare to Speak Out”, by Paul Findley. Its about People and Institutions Confronting Israels Lobby!
This is what I mean by “liberals”, you obviously are not well read on the issue of zionism and the difference.
I do believe if you check history it was Jews who wrote the Old testament. Sorry I think its fairy tales. I didnt coin the phrase, those are Bill Mahers (a borne Jew who made that statement).
In the new testament, which was supposed to the be the “enlightenment period”, it was Jesus who threw the money changers out of the temple.
I am sorry for those of you who believe that even discussing the issue can be labeled anti semitic without any justification for facts. In 1977 I was at Columbia Pictures having won a 3 month workshop there because of an article I wrote about my autistic son. Prior to that I didnt know nor investigate anything having to do with Israel and Palestine. I met a young Palestinan woman there who had also received an invitation to this workshop. After hearing her pleas for justice and discussing the topic with several others, I got interested and have remained so ever since. I liken what has happened to Palestinans as what happened to native americans when the europeans first arrived here.
Many of my Jewish and non Jewish friends have warned me about “talking about the issue” that at some point some fool would label me as anti semitic. Interesting that would occur on a “liberal” blog.
I leave you with this: The y Dare to speak out is a powerful and persuasive contribution to public discourse on a topic so laden with emotional minefields that few are able to traverse it with dignity and thoughtfulness. But Paul Findley has managed to do so, and this volume should be read by everyone concerned with the excessive influence special interest groups have on the foreign policies and national interests of our country. Mark Bruzonsky, Former Washington Associate of the World Jewish Congress. 1983.
This is the last paragraph in Findleys book.
If one powerful group can succeed in inhibiting free expression on a particular topic, others inevitably will be tempted to try the same in order to advance their favorite causes. If the great insittutions of education can be forced to ignore challenges to academic freedom on one subject, they will be fair game on other subjects.
If a great newspaper can be pressured into letting the agent of a lobby look over the shoulders of editors as they prepare coverage of a war in Lebanon, other lobbies have a precedent on which to base similiar demands. If a Catholic nun and an Episcopalian dean can be villified as anti-semitic because they apply religious principles, to the tragedy of the Middle East, and if these same principles can be bent to political ends, religious freedom everywhere is endangered. If a lobby can force government officials into ignominious silence in one vital area of public policy, other parts of the body politic can be similiarly disabled.
In short, when a lobby stifles free speech nationally on one controversial topic, the Middle East, all free speach is threatened.
I know a woman which many of you know, who refuses to go to the Pacem meetings on the Israelie/Gaza question because “she has an accent” and is fearful of being attacked. I have no accent, but I have every right to take a stand on A lobby I believe is a foreign agent and who has influenced not only our foreign policy but domestic as well.
Now, you say what you want, do what you want, I will continue to speak out freely, and without regret, for I do not fear the ignorant.
Mr Price: What General Eisenhower did was good, but if he was a reflection of America at that point, American opinion was late in coming. We didn’t have pogromi, the way the Russians did, and the Dreyfuss Affair wouldn’t have happened here, but when the Jews were trying to flee Europe during World War II, we were tougher than most countries about letting in Jews. Our immigration laws, designed in the twenties to “maintain the existing racial balance,” were not helpful. Even Switzerland, surrounded by the Nazis on the north and the Italian Fascists to the south, were easier on admitting Jews.
A line from Herman Wouk’s War and Remembrance stands out: if Germany didn’t want the Jews, it turned out that nobody else wanted them very much, either.
oh Dana i totally agree. In fact there is evidence that the US government knew what was going on in Germany, just like we knew about Rawanda, and we KNOW about Sudan.
My point was that these people who don’t understand what their ignorance really means sometimes need to be presented what there tacit support can cause.
There were so many guilty parties in letting the Holocaust happen, everyone needs to refresh their memory now and again
Liz, you have gotten some very slanted information. We are easy scapegoats, yes. But as far as your Palestinian friend goes, i would urge you to research just what it is like their. you don’t see Israelis STRAPPING BOMBS TO THEIR CHILDREN!
Miss Allen: I was not the one who labelled you anti-Semitic, though I did discuss someone I know very well who is. So I hope that you’ll understand when I ask you how a statement like:
on a thread that had absolutely nothing to do with foreign policy works out to be anti-Zionism?
The thing is, I’ve seen this kind of statement before, and it came from an ugly source. I’m not Jewish, but having dealt with someone like the lady I described, my antennae are rather well-attuned.
I really admire the Jewish culture in America. They are the embodiment of what we say the American dream is: they teach their children to study hard and work hard in school, to get the best collegiate admissions they can, they study and work hard in college, to get the best jobs they can upon graduation. It is the work ethic writ large, and they have been largely successful. So, when I see comments about Jewish bankers, or “Banksters” in your formulation, I take notice, because the “greedy Jew” has been a long-lived stereotype, and a repugnant one.
For Liz Allen: Since you are so obviously supportive of the Palestinians here, I’d like to ask you what that actually means. Does it mean, in the rather typical Western formulation, that you’d like to see a peaceful solution in which an independent and secure Israel exists side-by-side with an independent and secure Palestine, with the borders being pretty much the pre-June 1967 lines, or are you thinking more along the lines of the Jews leaving the Middle East and the Palestinians possessing all of the land there?
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph.
Did she deny the Holocaust? Did she wish death on Jewish people? Did she espouse seething hatred for Jews?
She said that some bankers are Jewish. Whoop-de-freakin’-do. Did you know alot of Hip Hop artists that have prison records are black? Am I racist now?
..and calling the stories in the Old Testament fairy tales is not far off… don’t tell me you really thought David shot Goliath in the eye with a slingshot. It’s not exactly the Encyclopedia Brittanica.
The woman Dana mentioned earlier came to my attention when I was a moderator for the old ACLU board on AOL. She has not gotten any better over the years and I suspect that there is some personal affront that triggered this.
I wonder if she keeps a copy of The Protocols under her pillow.
Her bias is rather selective and it is aimed at observant Jews and anyone not to the left of Howard Zinn. I think of the anti-Israel crowd as latter-day Sonderkommandos.
Dana: I believe in a two state solution based on 1967 borders and the UN242 resolution.
NONE of you have EVER heard me deny the holocaust or any such drivel! My fellow JEWISH friends at Jewish Voices for Peace, or “Peace Now”, jewish groups working for a 2 state solution would call Don HUSSEIN a vulgar, slanderous fool who has no knowledge whatsoever of the issue.
Please all you Liberals attend the Pacem En Terris “education on Palestine/Israel”, perhaps you could actually learn something.
My question is why would DON HUSSEINI use me go “after”. Didnt have any other cute conversation for a sunday afternoon? You owe me an apology for this “right wing attack”, I would expect it from a “rovian bunch” but so called Liberals? Narrow small minded people like DON HUSSEINI are ignorant on the issue and vicious in your attempts to paint me as a vile anti semitic. You have shown that you and your fellow comrades need a re education camp immediately.
a.price. I see zionists strapping on some f16’s killing innocent women and children! I see a brutual occupation and theft of lands in violation of 1948 mandates. I see checkpoints manned by 18 yr olds who use brutality as a gift that keeps on giving.
You can continue to deny that occupation and its horrorific brutality doesnt exist, but the facts on the ground prove you a false reporter.
how is serving in the military to protect your country from terrorists in any way similar to suicide bombers. I believe in a 2 state solution.
However, until the Palestinians divorce themselves from Hamas, who’s ONLY reason is to kill Israelis, they can’t be truly trusted.
Yes there are Israeli war hawks, yes there are problems on both sides.
However, for YEARS they Palestinians had control over the West Bank. And if you want to see how well it was run… well.
Their “government” forces the people to like in slums. They, like many other Arab governments create the worst possible situation and blame…..
Drum roll……
THE JEWS!!!!!!!
you CANT. FEEL. SORRY. FOR. HAMAS
zionists and israeli citizens arent the same thing.
military service is mandatory in israel at age 18 accept for the Hassid….. and THEY are the ones who DONT fight and promote war the most.
“Greenspan, Volcker, Bernancke, Geitner, Madoff, the top dogs…what are they…Irish. I will try to find a list of them to put up against yours. Who is the CEO of Wachovia, Citibank, Merril Lynch, Bear Sterns, Wells Fargo, Goldman…more Irishmen?”
– liz on the myopia thread
Liz DO NOT try and pretend to be open minded on one thread and do THIS on another
do you have ANY idea how many jews were defrauded by madoff? you hypocrite
a. price….exactly! do the google thing….jewish bankers. First time, I googled it tonight. interesting what can be found there.
and I dont say one thing on one blog and something else on the other. Anyone who knows me or has heard me on this topic…knows I have nothing against JEWS, I got plenty of distaste for zionism!
Price….its called occupation…its called being surrounded by check points that are controlled by Israel. Have you read nothing about the extremist settlers, which Ariel Sharon attempted to move off Palestinan land? You should ask yourself why so many Jews in Israel are opposed to what the “war parties” are doing. They too want a two state solution and there are extremes on both sides.
Nothing can be resolved there unless the US government is willing to address both sides in a fair, and unbiased manner. There is a reason why the majority of countries in the world including the hundreds of UN resolutions to end the debacle are over ruled by one nation…the US. Why is that?
Google: Map of Palestine and Map of Israel…1948 and 2008! Israel has never maintained those borders set by the UN.
liz, palestine has refused to control Hamas… a group with one goal.
If they wont keep those murderous shits from turning their children into bombs, the Israelis should. I am by no means a Zionist. I think Jerusalem should be its own state.. like Vatican City. I think the Palestinians should have their own state… but how much of “Palestine” is also in Jordan. I don’t see the outrage about the Jordanians kicking them out….
Israel IS NOT America. When THEY say they are fighting terrorists who pose a constant threat to their safety, they really are.
The facts are that Hamas is a democratically elected government. Both the US and Israel wanted them to hold elections. They did and Hamas won. Sorry dont like the outcome, but the fact remains the election was done democratically, and Carter was there to supervise.
Jerusalem should belong to neither side, it should be an international city, not a capital of either side. There is no Palestine in Jordan. Borders were laid out in 1948, it is the Zionists who have stolen more and more land. google Palestine 1948, and 2009…its almost all gone to the point, there may not be enough left of Palestine to create a State. (which was the zionist plan all along).
Youre absolutely correct that Israel is not America! Then why does a foreign government have so much influence over the policy and our Senators/Congress? We we would allow Russia or China to have such influence not only of our elections, but our foreign and domestic policies? (Freeman a clear example).
Hamas is not an enemy of America! They have no power, no army, navy, air force, nothing…they have rocks and homemade rockets.
This whole debate reminds me of the europeans robbing native americans and slaughtering them by the hundreds of thousands, and then calling them “savages” for fighting back.
We Americans need to be asking ourselves, why we are the only nation who approves of everything Israel does, at the expense of our safefy and our Treasury?
And by all means google that Jewish banker thing! I want to check that out further.
wooohoooo Down with Absolutes ended their ban!
Brian wrote: “..and calling the stories in the Old Testament fairy tales is not far off… don’t tell me you really thought David shot Goliath in the eye with a slingshot. It’s not exactly the Encyclopedia Brittanica.”
Ehhhh… So the guy who turned bread into fish, healed the sick with the touch of his hand, and came back from the dead – he ain’t a fairy tale? Give me a break.
One question to Liz: Why is it necessary to even point out that they are Jewish? It is irrelevant unless you believe that fraudulent activity is a trait inherent to the Jewish race. And if you believe that then you believe in a stereotype and are a bigot.
Sorry.
That’s the new testament.
Liz you have been brain washed by this idea of a vast Zionist conspiracy. It is an easy one to buy in to.
First of all every war Israel has had t fight to preserve it’s safety, every time his has taken land (like form egypt) it has given it back.
Second, for decades, Palestinians called the shots in the areas they controlled. what did they do with that control? They put bombs on their kids and sent em into markets.
Hamas exists for one reason Liz.
ONE REASON. and that is to kill jews. no education… other than to teach children how to push the button. not trade policy. other than to get more weapons. if they were elected, that shows a referendum that Palestinians agree.
How dare you pass a judgement on a country defending itself and not have all the facts?
DO you live in a town under CONSTANT rocket attack? are your children in the military (like every Israeli at age 18) and do they face threat of death every day?
are you a part of a group who, throughout western history has been blamed and slaughtered, than accused of overreacting when it tries to defend itself?
you using one or two Jewish friends as a justification for your filth and your ignorance is like me using my black friends as a reason for dropping the N-bomb.
Miss Allen, when you say that Hamas won the elections, you also have to note that Hamas has taken the position that the two-state solution which you have already said you accepted, is unacceptable, and that all of the Levant is an Islamic waqf, and that no Arab has any right to surrender even an inch of it to the Israelis.
Ariel Sharon gave the Palestinians their own “test state.” He pulled Israel out of the Gaza strip, including the forcible removal of some settlers, and basically told the Palestinians, “Here, it’s yours, do with it what you will.”
Had the Palestinians simply tried to build something in Gaza, rather than use it as a base to (weakly) attack Israel, the pressure on the Israelis to do the same with Judea and Samaria would be enormous. Instead, Hamas uses Gaza to launch random attacks against Israel, killing a few Israeli civilians, not enough to actually defeat Israel, but just enough to guarantee Israeli reprisals.
The Palestinians are in a unique position: they are the only example of which I can think of a people who could win their war by putting down their weapons, if by winning their war they mean securing the currently occupied territories for themselves as an independent Palestine. It is only if their view of winning necessarily means the destruction of Israel that this wouldn’t be true.
Did you notice how 2 of the 3 the anti-semetic comments in the original post were about Jewish American “bankers” but Liz defends it by saying she takes exceptions with Zionists. The only thing these two groups have in common in the one group works at banks and the other group lives on the West Bank. As ‘not brian’ said, the Freeman issue and this are not even in the same ballpark. You can’t claim there is some sort of Jew Banker conspiracy because you are anti Zionist… doesn’t compute…
(For the record though the Hebrew Bible is a fairy tale, just like the Christian one and the Koran…)
Mr Gray: I gave Miss Allen the benefit of the doubt, because one of the “bankers” remarks concerned sending money to Israel.
Liz do you think Israel doesn’t have the right to defend itself?
Dana, you conveniently ignore several important facts about Gaza. And there is more to consider as well.
Since the Israelis pulled their illegal settlers out of Gaza, they have attempted to keep the Gazans completely isolated from the outside world by controlling all access, egress, imports and exports. They also prohibit Gazans from crossing over to the West Bank. In essence, without occupying it, the Israelis have created a captive territory not their own.
The Gazans have countered this blockade with their tunnels into Egypt, a necessity for both their subsistence and their rockets.
Many of the displaced Israeli settlers from Gaza were resettled on the West Bank, in Palestinian territory. Israeli incursions into Palestinian territory keep happening. What good is done by this? Moreover, parts of the Israeli built wall is on Palestinian territory on the West Bank, also in violation of the border.
In Jerusalem, the Israeli goal is to have full control over the city. Israelis continue to expand their housing into the Palestinian sector of the city. This is in violation of the pre-1967 borders.
True, Hamas supports and conducts terrorist operations; so do the Israelis, as recently evidenced by their overreactions in Lebanon and in Gaza. The killing and destruction done in both places far exceeded anything Hezbollah or Hamas has ever done to them.
Israel has always placed preconditions on talks with Hezbollah or Hamas, that they must first renounce terrorism and recognize the legitimacy of Israel. That position is understandable, but not practical, because with it there will never be talks, only more violence.
Finally, regarding waging war, a well known American said: “You go to war with the army you’ve got.” Both Israel and the Palestinians subscribe to that notion. This war will never stop unless both sides are willing to sit down and talk, without preconditions. One side is willing, the other is not. It is up to America to put pressure where pressure is due! So far, since Clinton, we have been unwilling to do so.
Too few Americans see or understand the Palestinian side, I think because of the pro-Israeli pressure and propaganda that exists here, as most recently became evident in the Freeman situation that we’ve been discussing on this thread. Just the possibility of a more even handed individual to chair the National Intelligence Commission sent the pro-Israeli forces in this country and the Likud into a frothing panic. They are the most recent ‘canary in the coal mine’ that should cause us to reconsider our policies toward Israel, and toward the Palestinians.
preconditions with Hamas and Hezbollah?
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
You even say you know they don’t even recognize Israel as a state. They want to kill every man woman and child in living in Israel. Those sub human pieces of filth CAN’T be reasoned with. They are like AL Queda. Palestinians living in Israel , not supporting Hamas or Hezbollah have all the rights of Jewish Israeli citizens.
There is no Palestinian side. That is like arguing the Taliban side. They teach their children to hate, they treat their women the same way the Saudis do… should we consider the wife beater’s side?
get off the bleeding heard left wing horse for one minute. I know how it feels to support fighting terrorism. I blame W. for this. He has turned fighting terrorism into a dirty word here on the left wing, however Israel is under CONSTANT threat.
If Hamas, or Hezbolla got a hold of an atomic bomb, they would strap it to a young child and send them into a crowded square in Tel Aviv. make NO mistake.
a.p. – there is a Palestinian side. There have been settlers that act as badly as Hamas. Destroying villages, poisoning wells, killing Palestinians. I know that they are a small subset of Israelis, but so is Hamas.
Either way, I think it is an error to conflate anti-Semitism with anti-Zionism.
And let me add, that you can also disagree with Israeli politics without being anti-Zionist. I suspect that this is the best description of my personal stance.
there are even israelis who disagree with the hawkish Likud. btw LG, the well poisoning jews you speak of is a much smaller subset than Hamas. Palestinians elected Hamas has their government.
How is Hamas a small set of Palestinians? Didn’t they win 60% of the vote? The few settlers who are out of control are treated like the criminals that they are. You don’t see a difference? Hamas kills Jews, Christians, and even Moslems who don’t agree with them in a reign of terror. There can be no peace with Hamas. They must be defeated.
Why should someone be barred from living in an area because they are of a certain ethnic group? A Jewish person can live in Bethlehelm PA why not Bethlehelm Judah?
And it isn’t just the denial that Israel can defend itself. It is her charge about jewish “banksters” that somehow it has anything at all to do with the economic collapse. it is irrelevant and bringing it up gives merit to the charge that she has a problem with Jews. Liz you may think you are being rational, but i know the road you are going down..I’ve seen that movie so to speak… and it ends in a gas chamber. just so ya know
Bryan, you should look up your military history. Slings were weapons not little rubber band toys. They were used in war and in hunting and could propel a stone at significant speed.
Considering that slings were used as weapons and appearently are nothing in design like you think, maybe you should rethink what is a fairy tale.
I won’t judge the person, I don’t know her. I judge some of the comments as misguided, ignorant, and hurtful. Some come from the same old playbook used by anti-semites. If you quote their words, you may get confused for one.
Even with that said, I hate to label someone because that has the effect of shutting down debate. The debate then becomes whether or not she is an anti-semite which is something most of us can’t know instead of the best policies. I would much rather say that x, y, and comments were anti-semitic.
price first of all you are totally devoid of history, but I understand you are well indoctrinated in your views.
I think Don Husseini is mentally deranged, and believe this blog is just an attack machine designed by the “rovians” on the democratic centurists side.
I will not back down from views, I will continue to use my freedom of speech, when, and whenever I feel like it.
I could really fix this teeny tiny blog, by providing the site to the hundreds of my Jewish groups speaking the truth, but you know what its not worth it. You have done yourselves in with your superficial knowledge, your red baiting distortions, and I recommend you actually google: jewish bankers.
There is literally no topic on the face of this earth that should not be discussed, debated. No one, no group is exempt. Paul Findley said it best, so go back and re read what HE said, a victim of AIPAC. Read what John Kennedy said when he tried to expose things. You are a bunch of lick spittle lame ass attack dogs.
Count me as the multitude of bloggers who will no longer comment here. You loose.
jewish bankers were sighted when explaining Germany’s economic meltdown in the 20s people had jewish friends…. they than became enabler’s of Hitler. Having Jewish friends does not excuse comments like yours. Yes you have the right to free speech, but i bet you’d have a problem if in a topic about inner city crime, i sighted scientific research that said Blacks have a smaller brain than other races (DISCLAIMER DISCLAIMER i don’t think that, i am making a point)
I don’t care that you have Jewish friends. If they really agree with you on this, implore them to come and defend your offensive remarks.
Count me as the multitude of bloggers who will no longer comment here. You loose.
WooHoo! We win!
that isn’t good. now she doesn’t like jew-defenders. soon she will think we need to live in our own part of town to they can keep an eye on us.
Liz, Eric Cartman doesn’t think he is a racist either.
Cartman never comments here either. I think it’s because I killed Kenny.
Easy now, a. price. Calling out specific comments is enough.
You loose?
What is loose? Our pants?
Oh you mean lose?
We lose because we don’t have to read bigoted antisemitic bullshit anymore.
I see. So I guess Matthews wins because he is now blessed with the privilege to read your “rational, reasonable” hatred of an entire culture, religion and race.
DWA is becoming your one stop shop of Hate.
I have never been more proud to be a loser in Liz’s eyes.
You bastard. (This is to LG)
Liz… please fill out this form, it will save you a lot of energy:
Check all that apply.
I am displeased with recent comments on your blog because:
( ) Your views differ from mine
( ) I have no other answer to your rebuttal
( ) I am offended by your abrasive tone
( ) Your profanity offends my virgin ears
( ) Your blog’s rules differ from mine
( ) You have insulted my family/friend/politician
( ) I fear being outed
As a result I am taking the following action(s):
( ) Removing you from my blogroll
( ) Banning you from my blog
( ) Not commenting on your blog
( ) Not reading your blog
( ) Threatening to out you
( ) Threatening to publish embarrassing information about you
( ) Erasing your name from the annals of history
( ) Tearing down your childhood home and salting the earth beneath
I think Don Husseini is mentally deranged
I heard his name is really “Don Husseini Goldberg.”
i just got yelled at… over a year and never crossing a line 🙂 that has got to be some kind of record!
Liz,
This is 2009. Get with the times!
We don’t scapegoat jewish bankers anymore.
We scapegoat arab oil sheiks now.
I never yell. I gently admonish. Just saying, the comments stand on their own.
she wont be back
but allow me to answer for her
“the Jew has taken money throughout history. Jesus tried to stop the greedy Jew-money changers.. so did the king of Spain in the 1400s! It is a proven fact that many Jews shave off their horns at a young age, grind it into powder and use it as mind control dust to take money from Christians. While some people of Jewish decent are good people who I have decided to befriend so as to better study their habits, most of them just want to deny Hamas, a good upstanding group of young men, their right to slaughter young Jew-spawn. Juden Raus!”
sorry pandora i didn’t get yelled at. and your admonishing is indeed very gentle ..gentile haha get it? but i fully expect to hear about that LAST one.
You really should google “jewish bankers”.
What you get is a selection of anti-semitic and/or white supremacist websites or blogs trotting out the usual jewish banker conspiracies, but definitely refreshed for this particular banking crash. It is despicable and worthy of being called out at every opportunity.
And I will note that Liz does not do much to defend her accusations that Jewish bankers are at the center of the banking crisis. Which is the thing that we absolutely object to, because it is that kind of accusation that has been a traditional bit of ugliness pointed at Jewish people and needs to stop. especially since xstryker did the work to show that this is not true.
Count me as the multitude of bloggers who will no longer comment here. You loose.
Any blog that will extend you any hospitality while you are making demonstrated wrong and despicable comments about Jewish bankers probably deserves what they get.
Wow, a. price, that’s not a bad imitation of Liz…
I think Don Husseini is mentally deranged, and believe this blog is just an attack machine designed by the “rovians” on the democratic centurists side.
Wow, YOU believe that? Oh, just another crazy thing that you believe . Sorry if I’m not afraid to label people as I see them.
You are from the Steve Newton mind set that because you know a ton about a subject you can’t be ignorant about it.
You have gotten your little shots in enough times and now, you are being dragged out from the closet for it.
I don’t point out that people are jewish, I don’t point out they are black, mexican or whatever race or religion. When YOU do, it says something about who YOU are and how you feel about a group. It is insightful.
You are regarded in my mind and I’m sure others as a conspiracy theorist whacko and now we can add anti-semite to the list. As well as an ignoramus.
This much is true: Bankers are at the center of the banking crisis. Is that worth partial credit?
yes they are. but going out of one’s way to say Jewish Bankers is worthy of ridicule
Personally, I found post 78 very repugnant.
While I disagree strongly with some of Liz’s statements and agree that they are at least ignorant and stereotyping if not anti-Semitic, I also think that the statement in #78 is way over the top of anything Liz has or would say. In particular the use of the Nazi saying “Juden Raus” (Jews get out!) is out of bounds.
Liz is perfectly capable of answering for herself without other commenters putting words in her mouth, particularly those as repugnant as in post #78.
so satire is satire. Liz also made NO attempt to explain claim after claim about jewish bankers, or defending the actions of Hamas and Hezbolla. i know liz doesn’t want me to wear a yellow star on my jacket, but she has sighted some pretty anti semitic data in her claims.
Because it’s antisemitic and a false stereotype. If someone was hanging around here throwing around offensive stereotypes of blacks, hispanics, etc, we’d ban their ass.
I debunked this last f***king week and she’s still spreading it. Feel free to go back and read my comment on the subject. I have better things to do then talk about why racists should be racist, and why the rest of us should treat that bullcrap like it’s simply just a “different perspective”. I’m officially ignoring this subject, and if you all want to give Liz a platform for “debate”, and treat this sh** like it’s not harmful, go the f*** ahead. What next, shall we debate some people from Stormfront as to why slavery was good for African Americans? You know, just to debunk them. Because, you know, the idea totally needs to be debunked and discussed rationally. Because, you know, it’s a totally rational thing for rational adults to believe, and engaging in “dialogue” about it is a productive use of our time.
You know what, f*** it, time for a final comment. I’m done being rational about it. I am sitting at work now, ANGRY as all f***. You just f***ing ruined my day. I shouldn’t have to f***ing read this sh** on a daily basis. F*** you Liz, you hateful piece of crap. F*** you and the f***ing horse you rode in on. Guess what? I’m Jewish and I work for a bank. So why don’t you now blame all your sh**ty little problems on me, you f***ing worthless piece of manure. Go ahead, f***ing scapegoat me for all your sh**, that’ll be easier than dealing with your own issues, right? F*** off. F*** the f*** off and don’t come back. I f***ing work my ass off and devote sh**loads of my free time to trying to make a difference through the blogging medium. I don’t have to take this sh** from you or anyone else.
PS: That wasn’t particularly theraputic. I’m actually so angry now that I’m shaking at my seat and sweating. I’m going to throw out the rest of my lunch and try to make it through the rest of my day without punching my desk.
made me feel better just reading it X. l’chiam
HEAR HEAR X!
God, it did feel good reading that. And to all the pieces of ABSOLUTES shit that defend Liz, fuck you too.
Such bigotry deserves no quarter.
Don’t give anybody the power to ruin your day, xstryker!
Send a few bucks to the “Elie Wiesel Foundation for Humanity.” They lost all their money to Madoff, and could use your help. You’ll feel better right away.
Channel your anger for good. And hug your wonderful Mrs xstryker.
can i hug mrs xstryker too? (kidding) (unless it’s cool)
i dont want to see u sweat
Brian S.,
That was exactly my point. You can’t say the Hebrew Bible is fairy tales without also applying the same description to the Christian Bible.
Hey, I know how you feel. A lot of my relatives were very upset when people kept comparing Bush to a chimp.
a lot of chimps i know were offended as well
There is a much larger question here. Whether Miss Allen is an anti-Semite, as Mt Viti claimed, or simply an anti-Zionist, as she described herself, the question of anti-Semitism vis a vis opposition to Zionism is so wrapped up in emotion that it becomes very difficult to talk about it calmly and rationally.
I see Perry’s comment as indicative of the problem. When one person points out something — in this case, my point that the Palestinians could win by putting down their weapons — we have the other raising the “what about this?” and “what about that?” argument. It seems to me that6 this whole issue is more about who can get in the last word, who is to get blamed for things, rather than actually seeking solutions.
If we are honest with ourselves, we’d admit that neiter side is as pure as the wind-driven snow, with the other the embodiment of Satan on earth. The Israelis have pursued policies which severely limit the Palestinians’ freedom, and the Palestinians have pursued policies which have maimed and killed innocent Israelis. Trying to quantify who is more to blame is worse than an exercise in futility; it is actively harmful to seeking a solution.
So, we need to step back from the raw emotionalism involved in this, and look to what possible solutions could exist. I’d say that there are three:
1- The Israelis completely expel the Palestinians from all of the land the Israelis now control, set up more defensible borders, and defend their gains.
2- The Palestinians, through hot and cold war, push the Israelis out of the Levant, and secure the entire region as their independent Palestine.
3 – The Israelis and Palestinians come to share the Levant, in a two-state solution, based on a close — not necessarily exact — following of the Green Line.
The first possible solution could have worked, had the Israelis had the will to do it in 1967 or 1968. When they did not expel the Palestinians at that point, when they allowed the Palestinians to continue top live there, they foreclosed this option; it is simply off the table.
The second option is the one favored by Hamas, Hezbollah and al Fatah, but they lack the power to impose this solution, and there is no reasonable prospect that they will have such power in the foreseeable future. This option, too, is off the table.
This leaves only the third option, some sort of modus vivendi in which both peoples share the Levant. In this scenario, both sides win something, and both sides lose something. The Israelis win their peace and security, but lose any notions of a Greater Israel on the lands they conquered in 1967. The Palestinians win their independent state, but lose the land they believe they should own on which Israel proper sits. Yet if we waste our time debating whose loss is greater, and whose victory is less deserved, we lose sight of the goal of solving this problem.
How long does it take to get a comment out of moderation at your site, Dana??
blah blah blah Israel Palestine blah blah blah
missing the point!
“JEWISH BANKER” IS AN OFFENSIVE STEREOTYPE. I don’t give a SH*** what anyone says about Israel. WHATEVER! I have my criticisms of Israel, you have yours, all well and fine. DON’T GIVE ME ANY OF THIS JEWISH BANKER SH**. That’s the f***ing subject, don’t f***ing change it. The post doesn’t say any f***ing thing about Israel, and if you wanna hear some harsh criticism of Israel, ask the guy who wrote this post!
What a sack of bullsh**. “JEWISH BANKER”, Perry! HOW THE F*** IS THAT A “VIEW”? If I make a racist comment about “lazy (insert group here)”, is that a view? No one’s stopping Liz from having her own Jewish Banker Watch website. That sh** belongs in the same spam queue with the n-word and threats against people’s families.
here here.
Hube asked:
As long as it takes me to find it! 🙂 But we don’t censor anyone, so any non-spam comments will be released eventually.
From a primate with no axes to grind, the Bernanke comment above crosses the line. Speaking as someone with hair on his face, I’d be offended if she pointed out that he’s got a beard. Those of us with hair on our faces do NOT all stick together.
Hube and Dana..
Is there a comment of yours that is not appearing here? Because I have checked both the Spam and Moderation queues and there is nothing there.
anti-semites like liz are lower than the masturbating lemurs in the cage next to me
me throws feces on liz, anyways
lemurs masterbate? now that’s offensive
DD, I think that Hube and Dana were talking about a comment on Dana’s site — I looked too!
Dana, I disagree with your characterization (#96) of my post (#56), when you write: “It seems to me that6 this whole issue is more about who can get in the last word, who is to get blamed for things, rather than actually seeking solutions.”
Be that as it is, we agree, as you suggest: “3 – The Israelis and Palestinians come to share the Levant, in a two-state solution, based on a close — not necessarily exact — following of the Green Line.”
The problem, then, is Israeli preconditions preventing their meeting with Hamas. Obviously, meeting only with Fatah is insufficient, as Fatah does not represent Gaza, Hamas does. If Israel is unwilling to sit down with Hamas, I can only deduce that they do not want a two state solution.
In fact, the new Israeli government just elected has publicly taken just that position — no two state solution, as spoken by Netanyahu recently.
On the subject of this new government, here is a serious development in today’s news:
“Israel is one step closer to having a government after Benjamin Netanyahu and Avigdor Lieberman, the heads of Israel’s …
two most powerful conservative parties, inked a deal to form a coalition with Lieberman as foreign minister.
This sets up an awkward situation for the administration, due to Lieberman’s past membership in a far-right group designated as a terrorist organization by the State Department.
“
from Politico
The problem is liz is still an anti semite and you can’t defend her with the tangent you tried to take this post on.
Surprised I didn’t catch more flak for chucking insults at the Bible.
I could easily have said “yeah, the second book is about that dude with the beard that performs magic tricks” but realizing that could be insulting to some I let it be. I don’t want to cause a religious discussion, just want to say that whatever Liz said wasn’t anti-semitic. Others pointed out that it was a Bill Maher punchline.
The Bil Maher punchline probably would not have caused all the ruckus here, Brian — it really is the crazy BS trying to pin the financial crisis on Jewish bankers that is what is over the line for most of us.
people. read her comments. It was the confluence of many comments. references to “Jew banksters” accusing israel of nazi like occupation because they protect themselves from terrorists like Hamas…. alone, her comments aren’t THAT bad, but she negatively references jews a lot. THAT is the problem
DD, I think that Hube and Dana were talking about a comment on Dana’s site — I looked too!
Yes, that is so. I apologize for using the comments here as a bulletin board, but after looking for like 15 mins. at Dana’s site I could not find his e-mail address.
Sorry for the confusion.
YOU SHOULD BE!
Brian, if it were only the Bill Maher comment it wouldn’t be a big deal, but it wasn’t only one comment. It was quite a few comments, and each time these comments were made they were called out for what they were and how they hurt people.
And, make no mistake, people were hurt.
That said, blogging is not the best place for nuance – note: there was nothing nuanced about Liz’s comments – and while I feel it is better to give people the benefit of the doubt, how many Jewish comments does it take before people start questioning where you’re coming from? Especially when they keep springing forth on threads that have nothing to do with Jews, Palestinians or Israel.
If one person was always referencing blacks or gays the same way would the blogging community ignore the comments?
In the blogosphere we live and die by our words – sometimes fairly, sometimes not – and had this been one of my comments being called into question my first course of action would be to apologize and try to clear up my statement. I would definitely not keep telling people to “google Jewish bankers.” WTF?
Good point, P.
If I had a thread about how the cost of healthcare kept rising and someone jumped on and said, “Ya know, if gay people weren’t so promiscuous and they wouldn’t spread AIDS and cause all of our rates to go up. Google gay men promiscuity”
We would have to call them on it.
i googled “gay men promiscuity” word to the wise, DONT do it at work, or in the same room as your girlfriend
I don’t know about Liz, but if you consider her an anti-smitie, then I imagine you’d consider me Hitler himself.
The truth is, the reason I am against the official government conduct of the right-wing, warmongering Likud Party of the Israeli government has NOTHING to do with religious preferences and everything to do with 41 years of illegal Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories and the abuse of the Palestinian people. No decent American would support the horrific record of the Israeli government, using American-made and provided weapons to kill Palestinians with on Palestinian soil.
Read this Americans:
http://www.roncorvus.com/israel.htm
http://www.roncorvus.com/hadley.htm
Read it and weep…..read it and run for Congress or vote your incumbent out of office next election…..r o n
Israel is the ALL-TIME WORLD RECORD HOLDER, when it comes to human rights violations/abuses and U.N. resolutions violated, with a whopping 77 U.N. resolutions violated since 1955.
There is no close second.
UN RES 242 ORDERED Israel out of the Palestinian territories back in 1967 – to this day Israel refuses to comply with UN RES 242.
The posters here have posted some of the stupidest pro-Israeli garbage imaginable.
The CIA just issued a report stating Israel will probably vanish within about 20 years.
Google it and weep, pro-Israelis.
Ron, I’m not going to click on your site, because if you’re as racist as you claim to be, I’m not going to give you any traffic.
Well, I dunno, Ron, you haven’t accused Jewish Bankers of destroying the economy, so I don’t see anything anti-semitic in what you wrote. I don’t have any interest in finding out whether or not you’re a racist, though. Do I disgree with you? F*** yeah. But this thread isn’t about Israel. So address the topic in the thread or get the f*** out.
Hube wrote:
Actually, at work, I check the blog dashboard far more often than my e-mail, but I’ll send my e-mail address to you. Heck, I won’t even e-mail it, but tell you here: it’s dana19707@aol.com.
Ron,
You indescribable idiot. Did you fail at reading comprehension in the 3rd grade or what? We are not talking about Israel here. That you and Liz keep returning to Israel reveals the basis of your hatred: that you oppose Israel’s policies means you must oppose all Jewish people.
The issue here is not Zionism or Anti-Zionism. We can debate that forever, for there are merits to that argument. Each side is wrong, and each side is right.
No, the issue here is bigotry against Jewish people, by inferring that all the evil bankers are Jewish, that all Jewish bankers are money grubbing and fraudulent, etc., etc., etc ad nauseum. Liz just again attempted to post a list of Jewish American officials and bankers to support her bigoted statements and wild claims of conspiracy. I will no longer allow her to post such trash and that comment will remain hidden.
Oppose and criticize these officials and bankers all you want. But why does Liz, and why do you or anyone, have to refer to them as Jew Bankers??? You attach that adjective and play it as an epithet. And that reveals your bigotry.
The issue of Zionism is not at all related.
Well said, DD.
“I would definitely not keep telling people to “google Jewish bankers.” WTF?”
That… “google Jewish bankers”… alone is not very condemning. But, if one were to put it into context with everything else she has said about Jews over the years … apologists for Liz notwithstanding… “WTF” very accurately sums it up.
DD wrote:
Intellectually, no, it isn’t. But as I’m seeing more and more people making comments like those made by Miss Allen, and those made by the lady I mentioned well above, I do wonder just how much such heartfelt support for the Palestinians and opposition to Israeli policy spills over, how much anti-Zionism leads to anti-Semitism, on an emotional rather than an intellectual level.
Dana, you wrote a wonderful piece over at your blog that I will be linking to in a moment in a new post.
Ron admitted to being like adolph hitler himself. Ron you seem proud of your hatred.
“Google it and weep, pro-Israelis.”
“The truth is, the reason I am against the official government conduct of the right-wing, warmongering Likud Party of the Israeli government has NOTHING to do with religious preferences and everything to do with 41 years of illegal Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories and the abuse of the Palestinian people.”
Ron you mean like how the Israelis train there children to blow themselves up in crowded… oh wait, that is Hamas. the now, palestinian government.
spew your hate speech all you want, fly your nazi support flag all you want. you wont find a sympathetic ear hear ass hole.
Liz Allen an anti-semite? You’ve got to be kidding! First off, many Arab peoples are also Semitic, so that’s not really an appropriate term.
Is it anti-semitic to say that there are Zionist Banksters trying to screw us all? Count me in. I could care less what you call me, I won’t stop telling the truth – no one should.
Why is it such a big deal if you question a conspiracy (two or more individuals conspiring together) and the players are Zionists? Sometimes I think the whole PC arguement is just put in place so we DON’T go there – we don’t talk about what’s happening.
Back to Liz. She has grandchildren that are Jewish. Does that make her anti-her grandchildren because she dares to question the Zionist International Banksters? Maybe we could name her an anti-internationalist or an anti-bankster instead.
As we’ve seen by these discussions, the politically correct phrasology ‘anti-semite’ serves the purpose of taking us off of the subject in question – that of a Zionist banking conspiracy (they work together against the rest of us) and instead put the subject onto “You can’t SAY THAT!” How generous an M.O. for the Zionist Banksters! How kind of the slave class to be helping their oppressor class in keeping the status quo by blurting out, “anti-semite”.
In a time of universal deceit, Liz, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. May God richly bless you for doing so.
uh boy. they are really comin’ out of the wood work on this one
Google is not a creditable site. You can not base your information nor your facts based on the results you get from a google search.
cindy,
.Is it anti-semitic to say that there are Zionist Banksters trying to screw us all? Count me in. I could care less what you call me, I won’t stop telling the truth – no one should.
uhhhhhhh, YES YOU FUCKING IDIOT
you mean just how Passion of the Christ is historical “fact”?
“Back to Liz. She has grandchildren that are Jewish. Does that make her anti-her grandchildren because she dares to question the Zionist International Banksters? Maybe we could name her an anti-internationalist or an anti-bankster instead.” (quoted from cindy)
Just because she has grandchildren who are jewish doesnt mean she can make the comments she did make that are hyperlinked at the top of the page. (just for starters)
OK, Cindy, you are definitely a racist.
Cross-post from DWA:
What do you think of your BULLSH** racism now, RACIST?
it would be like me using my vote for obama and my black friends as an excuse for going into a crowded square and start dropping N-bombs and asking if anyone has menthols
Ever met a white racist with black grandchildren? I have. I don’t know what kind of relationship she has with her grandchildren and I don’t care. The fact that she pulls out the old “Some of my best friends are Jewish” is classic. Google that phrase, whydoncha.
some germans in the 30s had some jewish friends. one day those friends moved away for some reason… good thing too cause the jew bankers were blamed for germany’s financial collapse, maybe they went somewhere to live together like they always talked about….. maybe they were all concentrated in their own camp working out a lot and losing unwanted bellyfat
from this point on, this thread is closed.
just so we’re clear, the consensus among the writers at DL is that there is nothing more to say on this thread.