Comments on: End of an Error — Very Weak Economic Growth http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/01/14/end-of-an-error-very-weak-economic-growth/ Ground zero for all things political in Delaware Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:49:54 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: anon http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/01/14/end-of-an-error-very-weak-economic-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-89463 anon Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:15:48 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=11053#comment-89463 The stats do show that Clinton's job and income growth was more broadly based and benefited more people than Reagan's... Clinton raised incomes by almost the same amount as Reagan, but spread it out over more people (3% more jobs created). The lesson is that GDP rises under almost any president... you have to work really hard to knock GDP growth off its historic norm (like Bush did). But what you can control via policy is how many people benefit from the prosperity. The stats do show that Clinton’s job and income growth was more broadly based and benefited more people than Reagan’s… Clinton raised incomes by almost the same amount as Reagan, but spread it out over more people (3% more jobs created).

The lesson is that GDP rises under almost any president… you have to work really hard to knock GDP growth off its historic norm (like Bush did). But what you can control via policy is how many people benefit from the prosperity.

]]> By: RSmitty http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/01/14/end-of-an-error-very-weak-economic-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-89460 RSmitty Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:56:35 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=11053#comment-89460 If you are referring to when they took office, then yes, correct observation, except that Truman had a rough start, but nice recovery (as did Regan). Clinton, though, what a nice, almost straight-diagonal line upward (the only blip being a very slight tick down, just before the mid-point). The point is understood, though. If you are referring to when they took office, then yes, correct observation, except that Truman had a rough start, but nice recovery (as did Regan). Clinton, though, what a nice, almost straight-diagonal line upward (the only blip being a very slight tick down, just before the mid-point).

The point is understood, though.

]]> By: redwaterlily http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/01/14/end-of-an-error-very-weak-economic-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-89459 redwaterlily Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:47:22 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=11053#comment-89459 Each time a Republican took office, we lost jobs and when nthe Dems took over they went up again. Other then Eisenhower, the same is true for the GDP. Each time a Republican took office, we lost jobs and when nthe Dems took over they went up again. Other then Eisenhower, the same is true for the GDP.

]]> By: anonone http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/01/14/end-of-an-error-very-weak-economic-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-89395 anonone Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:42:07 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=11053#comment-89395 Mike the Torturer, RE #15: You have clearly supported torture in your previous posts. Are you now renouncing the use of torture under any circumstances? <i>Revenues are not the problem.</i> More Palinisque brilliance. Revenues were not the problem under Clinton, but repubs and conservatives make them a problem when they cut taxes and increase spending simultaneously. <i> The whole world thought there were weapons.</i> More rewriting of history. There were UN inspectors in Iraq at the time that couldn't find the weapons. The world knew the intel Bush/Powell were pushing was garbage - everybody knows Bush and the repubs lied to get into that war - they didn't have a UN vote that they had initially promised because they knew that they would lose. Unlike your old discredited repub talking points which are based on misinformation and lies, our talking points are based on the truth, which doesn't change and is why we don't need new ones. Mike the Torturer,

RE #15: You have clearly supported torture in your previous posts. Are you now renouncing the use of torture under any circumstances?

Revenues are not the problem.
More Palinisque brilliance. Revenues were not the problem under Clinton, but repubs and conservatives make them a problem when they cut taxes and increase spending simultaneously.

The whole world thought there were weapons.

More rewriting of history. There were UN inspectors in Iraq at the time that couldn’t find the weapons. The world knew the intel Bush/Powell were pushing was garbage – everybody knows Bush and the repubs lied to get into that war – they didn’t have a UN vote that they had initially promised because they knew that they would lose.

Unlike your old discredited repub talking points which are based on misinformation and lies, our talking points are based on the truth, which doesn’t change and is why we don’t need new ones.

]]> By: cassandra m http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/01/14/end-of-an-error-very-weak-economic-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-89390 cassandra m Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:23:46 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=11053#comment-89390 Hey Mike, come back when you can actually address what people have proposed here and you can wrap your mind around 1) Opening up ANWR has nothing to do with fuel efficiency of anything, 2) tax cuts added to the deficit as did the spending for the war and 3) revenues are certainly a problem if they don't cover your expenses. Hey Mike, come back when you can actually address what people have proposed here and you can wrap your mind around 1) Opening up ANWR has nothing to do with fuel efficiency of anything, 2) tax cuts added to the deficit as did the spending for the war and 3) revenues are certainly a problem if they don’t cover your expenses.

]]> By: Mike Protack http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/01/14/end-of-an-error-very-weak-economic-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-89384 Mike Protack Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:48:31 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=11053#comment-89384 Mike the Torturer, I have to ask what policies would have been better? I don't support torture except when I read the disjointed and uninformed posts on this site. It is torture to see so many ridiculous comments. OMG, are you REALLY this stupid? I mean, you can’t be, right? You’re starting to be Palinisque. I know I won this argument when you use the word stupid, I will debate you or anyone on this site anytime anywhere and win easily. Please stay anonymous and uniformed. Can your mind even consider that no Iraq war would have been a better policy? The intelligence was wrong-agreed. Ask Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and Bill Clinton, they all wanted Saddam removed and the weapons out. The whole world thought there were weapons. You guys need new talking points, the old ones are not working very well. Mike the Torturer,

I have to ask what policies would have been better? I don’t support torture except when I read the disjointed and uninformed posts on this site. It is torture to see so many ridiculous comments.

OMG, are you REALLY this stupid? I mean, you can’t be, right? You’re starting to be Palinisque. I know I won this argument when you use the word stupid, I will debate you or anyone on this site anytime anywhere and win easily. Please stay anonymous and uniformed.

Can your mind even consider that no Iraq war would have been a better policy? The intelligence was wrong-agreed. Ask Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and Bill Clinton, they all wanted Saddam removed and the weapons out. The whole world thought there were weapons.

You guys need new talking points, the old ones are not working very well.

]]> By: Mike Protack http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/01/14/end-of-an-error-very-weak-economic-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-89383 Mike Protack Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:42:04 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=11053#comment-89383 How about not cutting taxes as we head into a war? The tax cuts helped keep the economy going after the 75% bust in NASDAQ, the 20% loss in the stock market in the 2000-2002 time frame. How about balancing a budget once in a while? Ok, I agree how about where would you cut the budget? Revenues are not the problem. How about increasing fuel efficiency standards and actually reducing our dependence on foreign oil? Don't make me laugh too hard. You guys are the one to keep all outer continental shelf sources and ANWR off the table. And I didn’t even break a sweat. And you did not use your brain either. How about not cutting taxes as we head into a war? The tax cuts helped keep the economy going after the 75% bust in NASDAQ, the 20% loss in the stock market in the 2000-2002 time frame.

How about balancing a budget once in a while?
Ok, I agree how about where would you cut the budget? Revenues are not the problem.

How about increasing fuel efficiency standards and actually reducing our dependence on foreign oil? Don’t make me laugh too hard. You guys are the one to keep all outer continental shelf sources and ANWR off the table.

And I didn’t even break a sweat. And you did not use your brain either.

]]> By: anonone http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/01/14/end-of-an-error-very-weak-economic-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-89336 anonone Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:57:11 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=11053#comment-89336 Mike the Torturer, <i>I have to ask what policies would have been better?</i> OMG, are you REALLY this stupid? I mean, you can't be, right? You're starting to be Palinisque. Can your mind even consider that no Iraq war would have been a better policy? Mike the Torturer,

I have to ask what policies would have been better?

OMG, are you REALLY this stupid? I mean, you can’t be, right? You’re starting to be Palinisque.

Can your mind even consider that no Iraq war would have been a better policy?

]]> By: liberalgeek http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/01/14/end-of-an-error-very-weak-economic-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-89335 liberalgeek Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:54:44 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=11053#comment-89335 How about not cutting taxes as we head into a war? How about balancing a budget once in a while? How about increasing fuel efficiency standards and actually reducing our dependence on foreign oil? And I didn't even break a sweat. How about not cutting taxes as we head into a war?

How about balancing a budget once in a while?

How about increasing fuel efficiency standards and actually reducing our dependence on foreign oil?

And I didn’t even break a sweat.

]]> By: jason330 http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/01/14/end-of-an-error-very-weak-economic-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-89331 jason330 Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:47:01 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=11053#comment-89331 He could have cleared brush in Crawford the whole time. That would have been a good policy. Had we known what was going to happen, brush could have been trucked in for him to clear. He could have cleared brush in Crawford the whole time. That would have been a good policy.

Had we known what was going to happen, brush could have been trucked in for him to clear.

]]> By: cassandra_m http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/01/14/end-of-an-error-very-weak-economic-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-89330 cassandra_m Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:45:06 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=11053#comment-89330 Bush just could have taken the fiscal policy playbook from Clinton and that would have been better. Bush just could have taken the fiscal policy playbook from Clinton and that would have been better.

]]> By: jason330 http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/01/14/end-of-an-error-very-weak-economic-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-89327 jason330 Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:40:34 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=11053#comment-89327 How about not destroying the economy? That would have been a good policy. No? How about not destroying the economy? That would have been a good policy. No?

]]> By: Mike Protack http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/01/14/end-of-an-error-very-weak-economic-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-89321 Mike Protack Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:55:29 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=11053#comment-89321 This growth and job creation during the Bush years was higher than other modern economies in Europe but was less than India and China. I have to ask what policies would have been better? It is easy to criticize but I am confident you have no solutions. This growth and job creation during the Bush years was higher than other modern economies in Europe but was less than India and China.

I have to ask what policies would have been better? It is easy to criticize but I am confident you have no solutions.

]]> By: Rebecca http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/01/14/end-of-an-error-very-weak-economic-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-89313 Rebecca Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:37:15 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=11053#comment-89313 BushCo, raping the country for two generations. Let's get us some Jeb next - yeah! BushCo, raping the country for two generations. Let’s get us some Jeb next – yeah!

]]> By: X Stryker http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/01/14/end-of-an-error-very-weak-economic-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-89275 X Stryker Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:10:15 +0000 http://www.delawareliberal.net/?p=11053#comment-89275 Wow, even the growth period between W's 2 recessions looks positively anemic. I guess that goes along with the wage stagnation. Wow, even the growth period between W’s 2 recessions looks positively anemic. I guess that goes along with the wage stagnation.

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