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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2008/12/30/ending-corporate-personhood/#comment-86384</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not asbestos.
http://www.tectn.org/green_delaware_alert_540.htm

DuPont accumulated a giant pile of dangerous wastes near the banks of the Delaware River and Shellpot Creek in the City of Wilmington, Delaware.  The pile was accumulated between 1997 and 2001 and contains about 420 thousand cubic yards (550 thousand tons) of wastes.  Originally it covered 23 acres but in 2001 it was bulldozed up into a higher pile covering 16 acres and goop (&quot;polymer coat&quot;) was sprayed on it to reduce dust blowing.

the wastes, which DuPont calls &quot;Iron Rich,&quot; contains dioxins, PCB&#039;s, arsenic, radioactive uranium and thorium, hexachlorobenzene, and many other toxic and cancer-causing chemicals.  Only a few of these were considered in the &quot;risk assessments&quot; DuPont has offered up.

The pile sits on a layer of &quot;dredged material&quot; (called DM in the report) from the Delaware River.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not asbestos.<br />
<a href="http://www.tectn.org/green_delaware_alert_540.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.tectn.org/green_delaware_alert_540.htm</a></p>
<p>DuPont accumulated a giant pile of dangerous wastes near the banks of the Delaware River and Shellpot Creek in the City of Wilmington, Delaware.  The pile was accumulated between 1997 and 2001 and contains about 420 thousand cubic yards (550 thousand tons) of wastes.  Originally it covered 23 acres but in 2001 it was bulldozed up into a higher pile covering 16 acres and goop (&#8220;polymer coat&#8221;) was sprayed on it to reduce dust blowing.</p>
<p>the wastes, which DuPont calls &#8220;Iron Rich,&#8221; contains dioxins, PCB&#8217;s, arsenic, radioactive uranium and thorium, hexachlorobenzene, and many other toxic and cancer-causing chemicals.  Only a few of these were considered in the &#8220;risk assessments&#8221; DuPont has offered up.</p>
<p>The pile sits on a layer of &#8220;dredged material&#8221; (called DM in the report) from the Delaware River.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Downs</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2008/12/30/ending-corporate-personhood/#comment-86378</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Downs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the locals were running the plant and were not of the skill levels required.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the locals were running the plant and were not of the skill levels required.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob McWilliams</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2008/12/30/ending-corporate-personhood/#comment-86328</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob McWilliams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon Dude, Check asbetos for a quick refresher on a toxic substance that needs to be left alone and not indiscriminately disturbed.
  
Quasi &quot;progressive&#039; or &quot;liberal&#039; or whatever you call yourself makes me puke.  You have self annointed yourself as the holder of all answers.  So go for it.  You are the reason Democrats often lose elections to people (like Bush/Cheney) who end up raping our forests and monutains and oceans. No pun intended, you can&#039;t see the forest for the trees.

BTW, again you apparently know nothing of which you speak, but the Republican that won only won by 73 votes in an election where turnout was so poor it would shame  an American Idol vote. But most importantly, he is a corporate lawyer who is leading the team to get the BP loading dock in New Jersey.  I hope your wonderful faith in his environmental defense does not send a fireball your way someday.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon Dude, Check asbetos for a quick refresher on a toxic substance that needs to be left alone and not indiscriminately disturbed.</p>
<p>Quasi &#8220;progressive&#8217; or &#8220;liberal&#8217; or whatever you call yourself makes me puke.  You have self annointed yourself as the holder of all answers.  So go for it.  You are the reason Democrats often lose elections to people (like Bush/Cheney) who end up raping our forests and monutains and oceans. No pun intended, you can&#8217;t see the forest for the trees.</p>
<p>BTW, again you apparently know nothing of which you speak, but the Republican that won only won by 73 votes in an election where turnout was so poor it would shame  an American Idol vote. But most importantly, he is a corporate lawyer who is leading the team to get the BP loading dock in New Jersey.  I hope your wonderful faith in his environmental defense does not send a fireball your way someday&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diana McWilliams passed the buck.
Your reaction confirms the cowardice behind her non-action.
There isn&#039;t much more dangerous place for toxic poisons than in an unsecured pit on the river. Or maybe the McWilliams don&#039;t believe in global warming either? 
The people picked a Republican with a background in environment to replace her for a reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diana McWilliams passed the buck.<br />
Your reaction confirms the cowardice behind her non-action.<br />
There isn&#8217;t much more dangerous place for toxic poisons than in an unsecured pit on the river. Or maybe the McWilliams don&#8217;t believe in global warming either?<br />
The people picked a Republican with a background in environment to replace her for a reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob McWilliams</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2008/12/30/ending-corporate-personhood/#comment-86297</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob McWilliams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon, please remain anon because on that issue you are dead wrong.  I did not, and do not,  want that pile touched until it is VERIFIED that disturbing it is less dangerous than leaving it alone (OK, you can dig it up when I&#039;m living 1900 miles away ).  You, and your self-annointed, quasi scientists can have your opinion, but that&#039;s mine.  I prefer facts and data from an unbiased source before I act on something potentially dangerous.  So how about this - instead of an appology, since she is no longer an elected official, I can say what I want now - STFU about something you are not qualified to give an answer to.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon, please remain anon because on that issue you are dead wrong.  I did not, and do not,  want that pile touched until it is VERIFIED that disturbing it is less dangerous than leaving it alone (OK, you can dig it up when I&#8217;m living 1900 miles away ).  You, and your self-annointed, quasi scientists can have your opinion, but that&#8217;s mine.  I prefer facts and data from an unbiased source before I act on something potentially dangerous.  So how about this &#8211; instead of an appology, since she is no longer an elected official, I can say what I want now &#8211; STFU about something you are not qualified to give an answer to&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, your wife refused to act on the duPont dioxin pile in her district. She passed the buck on asking DNREC and duPont to take responsibility for the Edgemore flood-plain toxic dump.
Is there anything she wants to say? Maybe even just I am sorry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, your wife refused to act on the duPont dioxin pile in her district. She passed the buck on asking DNREC and duPont to take responsibility for the Edgemore flood-plain toxic dump.<br />
Is there anything she wants to say? Maybe even just I am sorry?</p>
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		<title>By: Unstable Isotope</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2008/12/30/ending-corporate-personhood/#comment-86286</link>
		<dc:creator>Unstable Isotope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not against corporations having the rights of citizens but I am against corporations not having the responsibility of citizens.  I&#039;m still really peeved that Goldman Sachs got a bailout from the U.S. government but only paid 1% tax.  That 35% corporate tax may be on the books but only corporations without smart lawyers and accountants pay that amount of tax.  I&#039;m certainly not against lowering that rate, as long as we close any and all loopholes.  No more incorporating in the Bahamas or Dubai to avoid U.S. tax.

Also, I think foreign corporations, like Halliburton  which is now a Dubai-based corporation should be prohibited from having U.S. government contracts.  The U.S. government should be protecting U.S. citizens first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not against corporations having the rights of citizens but I am against corporations not having the responsibility of citizens.  I&#8217;m still really peeved that Goldman Sachs got a bailout from the U.S. government but only paid 1% tax.  That 35% corporate tax may be on the books but only corporations without smart lawyers and accountants pay that amount of tax.  I&#8217;m certainly not against lowering that rate, as long as we close any and all loopholes.  No more incorporating in the Bahamas or Dubai to avoid U.S. tax.</p>
<p>Also, I think foreign corporations, like Halliburton  which is now a Dubai-based corporation should be prohibited from having U.S. government contracts.  The U.S. government should be protecting U.S. citizens first.</p>
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		<title>By: Geezer</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2008/12/30/ending-corporate-personhood/#comment-86281</link>
		<dc:creator>Geezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On jobs: No business, whether corporate or individually owned, &quot;creates&quot; jobs. They hire people only when it will lead to increased profits. If they can find a machine to do it instead, they certainly will, for our business laws allow them to depreciate the cost of a machine, but not an employee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On jobs: No business, whether corporate or individually owned, &#8220;creates&#8221; jobs. They hire people only when it will lead to increased profits. If they can find a machine to do it instead, they certainly will, for our business laws allow them to depreciate the cost of a machine, but not an employee.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Newton</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2008/12/30/ending-corporate-personhood/#comment-86280</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, should have been more specific with the reference</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, should have been more specific with the reference</p>
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		<title>By: Delaware Dem</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2008/12/30/ending-corporate-personhood/#comment-86275</link>
		<dc:creator>Delaware Dem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Kos?&quot;   Markos did not write that, but rather another diarist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Kos?&#8221;   Markos did not write that, but rather another diarist.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Newton</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2008/12/30/ending-corporate-personhood/#comment-86273</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI the Kos got it wrong; the assignment of 14th Amendment personhood rights to corporations was not due to any error (nice urban rumor, that), but to the continued activism of Associate Supreme Court Justice Stephen Field, who built multiple majorities and wrote their opinions for more than a decade.  See McCloskey, Conservatism in the Age of Enterprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI the Kos got it wrong; the assignment of 14th Amendment personhood rights to corporations was not due to any error (nice urban rumor, that), but to the continued activism of Associate Supreme Court Justice Stephen Field, who built multiple majorities and wrote their opinions for more than a decade.  See McCloskey, Conservatism in the Age of Enterprise.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob McWilliams</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2008/12/30/ending-corporate-personhood/#comment-86262</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob McWilliams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The intent was to protect corporations and individuals from risk in the normal operations of a business.  Like most things today, it has been brutally corrupted as a &quot;Get Out of Jail Free&quot; card for the INDIVIDUALS who are blatantly misfeasant and malfeasant.  I heartily support the changing of that law to hold people hiding behind a corporate veil accountable for all economic and physical pain brought on by their actions.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The intent was to protect corporations and individuals from risk in the normal operations of a business.  Like most things today, it has been brutally corrupted as a &#8220;Get Out of Jail Free&#8221; card for the INDIVIDUALS who are blatantly misfeasant and malfeasant.  I heartily support the changing of that law to hold people hiding behind a corporate veil accountable for all economic and physical pain brought on by their actions&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Corporations do create jobs&lt;/i&gt;

Jobs existed before corporations. 

The corporation is simply one mechanism we use for organizing commercial activity including labor. It doesn&#039;t have to be that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Corporations do create jobs</i></p>
<p>Jobs existed before corporations. </p>
<p>The corporation is simply one mechanism we use for organizing commercial activity including labor. It doesn&#8217;t have to be that way.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;anon the problem with you disagreeing is the fact that one can hide behind a corporation to avoid being penalized personally. &lt;/i&gt;

This is true for civil but not criminal liability. The concept of the corporate veil protects officers from most financial liability, but does nothing to protect you from criminal liability. Maybe DD can confirm this?

 Except of course that in the real world, even though officers are not legally protected from criminal liability, they acquire enough money and enough juice that they are treated as though they are exempt from criminal liability. When a crime occurs, law enforcement often does not have the will to prosecute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>anon the problem with you disagreeing is the fact that one can hide behind a corporation to avoid being penalized personally. </i></p>
<p>This is true for civil but not criminal liability. The concept of the corporate veil protects officers from most financial liability, but does nothing to protect you from criminal liability. Maybe DD can confirm this?</p>
<p> Except of course that in the real world, even though officers are not legally protected from criminal liability, they acquire enough money and enough juice that they are treated as though they are exempt from criminal liability. When a crime occurs, law enforcement often does not have the will to prosecute.</p>
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		<title>By: anonone</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and the right to vote</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and the right to vote</p>
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