Mormons vs Gay Marriage
A few weeks or months ago I let out a nice rant about the Catholic Church and my views. They were MY views and not the views of this website. I am not going to relive the post or link to it, but if you are at all curious just search my name and the word Catholic. I am at odds with religion right now in my life and continue to be when I see things that directly conflict with the message of tolerance, acceptance and love I was taught at St. Mary Magdalen.
I was at the school when one of the shitbags was there. One of the disgusting pedophiles that was ALLOWED to molest several of the students there. Thank god I wasn’t an Alter Boy. I had a paper route that required me to wake up at 4:30 am everyday so I wasn’t able to get to the 5:30 mass like my friend Bobby did. Literally, thank God I had that route. As we all know I was delaware’s first hottest blogger and I highly doubt the hundreds if not thousands of pedophile priests in the Catholic Church would have passed me over.
I am so confused by what I see out there in the world and the Christian leaders that speak for their tens of millions of followers. I remember being taught the story about the people walking by the bum in the road several times and then finally a good samaritan taking care of the helpless dirtbag. To me it symbolized the Catholic Church and Christianity in general. The Church, I thought knew the difference between right and wrong. They sure acted like they did that’s for sure.
I remember having to sit through the incredible Stations of the Cross. The dramatic tale of how Jesus Christ was persecuted and tortured. That he died and suffered through hours/days of TORTURE for us, so we could go to heaven. I remember being at church and having to freaking kneel for hours on those stupid pews and being told it was the least we could do. We were lucky to have padded kneelers we were told. Jesus died for us we could kneel for a few hours if we wanted to go to heaven too. Eventually, this stupid practice was eliminated after several years of kids passing out from lack of blood to thier legs. Poor bastards, they weren’t going to heaven I guess.
I have grown up now, become bitter and realized it was propaganda. It was total horseshit. I was being fed a line of bullshit so thick I can’t believe my parents even believe it and to be honest, I used to think both of my parents were pretty smart until I started to see some of the basic falsehoods taught in all religion that they still contort their brains into amazing objects that refuse to believe reality.
My go to story is asking people if they can imagine being taught about Dinosaurs and then 20 minutes later learning about Noah and the Ark by a Nun? I remember making fun of the dinosaurs eating all the animals on the boat in 4th grade in Ms. Williams class. I mean really?
The first real thorn in my side came when my mother wanted to get remarried but couldn’t because she had been divorced. Well, hey did you know the Catholic church has this great little Mulligan trick up their sleaves when it comes to getting married a 2nd time if you are divorced? Oh, you didn’t? Well, listen closely, all you have to do is pay the church a few hundred bucks for them to absolve the marriage and the church doesn’t remember you ever being married before. They don’t recognize the marriage at all. As a matter of fact it didn’t exist.
Talk about confused when you are one of 4 kids though. Uh, Mom? If the church said your marriage didn’t really happen…then what about us? Ehhh, no biggee for $500 bucks we can make you reappear somehow I’m sure my little donsqyuishie.
I remember how special I thought Marriage was supposed to be. How you are supposed to stay married till death to you part. Meeting your true love and sticking it out thick and thin. How awesome. How cute. How really really neato that must be. I hoped that when I grew up i would get to marry some wonderful woman and things would just be like it was with my Mom mom and Pop pop. They were so perfect. Pop pop would sleep on the couch all day while Mom mom would wake up at 4:30 to iron her bra’s and the bath towels oh and the sheets oh and the pillow cases oh and the socks oh and the dish towels too. She would then scrub the floor on her hands and knees oh and then she would make breakfast! So awesome that marriage thing.
The best part of about their marriage you ask? Oh, it was arranged by the Catholic Church. Pop pop was coming over from Italy after the first war. Mom mom was turning 16 and it was time for her to leave the orphanage.
Ahhhhhh marriage so precious. Meant for a man and a woman that fell in love. Like all those animals that marched 2 and 2 into the ark. Male and Female. In love, forever and ever Amen. You know? The way god intended it. (Insert Dinosaur to eat the entire fucking arks inhabitants)
I could go on but I don’t want to offend anyone more than I already have…Marriage is precious and if I destroyed any of the preconceptions you have had I am sorry. I don’t mean to poke a hole in the bubble you live in. Marriage is precious. The Catholic Church and all churches are not evil. Wait, except for muslims, those bastards are cold blooded killers! (Can I have my crusades with a side of Collesium Lion fighting please)
So, let’s move on to the reason for this post. Proposition No 8 in California is having one hell of a time getting a majority to support it in California. Apparently the End of Days is near if “the Gays” get to marry.
It amazes me the lengths that religion will go to keep people from wanting to marry. Mind boggling. But what makes what is going in California more angering is what the Church of Latter Day Saints is doing to keep gays and lesbians from marrying. The amount of money the Mormon’s are pouring to defeat gay marriage is staggering. They are sending millions, actually 20 millions into crushing a law that allows gays and lesbians to marry.
Could you imagine what that $20,000,000 could go to instead of that? If you were a member of that church wouldn’t you be upset? Didn’t this church have some cutesy-wutsey commercial showing people picking up a wallet and handing it back to it’s rightful owner? Don’t they have a series of commercials that show an individual making the “right” choice when placed upon a situation that questions them morally?
So here we go, yet again. The Sanctity of marriage is so fucking special right? Only for a man and a woman right? I don’t get it. I just don’t get it. You don’t want gay people to marry then you know what here is an idea….Don’t let them marry in your church. End of it. Can you imagine the good that 20,000,000 could do in say California? Do you know how many children that could feed?
The sanctity of marriage…what a crock of shit.
Spent a week in Utah with the Mormons earlier this year. You know something’s wrong when there’s a state that still supports George Bush in the way those extremists do. Aside from one pleasant night in what seemed to be a rather liberal city (Salt Lake City), the trip to Utah wasn’t a great time.
I’m getting that your beef is with religion, not God. I feel compelled to note that Jesus had a big beef with religion as well.
Jesus is my homeboy. It’s the fucked up retards who do dumb shit in his name (I’m looking at you, Pat Roberston) that piss me off.
i’m not comfortable with you calling me Jesus if that’s what you are implying…
DV is just angry he was not molested.
The jerk store called
and they are running out of
YOU
That was a ‘Charlie Got Molested’ reference (Its Always Sunny In Philadelphia).
Did I touch a nerve?
🙂
never….I’m letting my ass breath right now
I went to SMM too. I’m sorry they did such a poor job teaching you.
“Well, hey did you know the Catholic church has this great little Mulligan trick up their sleaves when it comes to getting married a 2nd time if you are divorced? Oh, you didn’t? Well, listen closely, all you have to do is pay the church a few hundred bucks for them to absolve the marriage and the church doesn’t remember you ever being married before.”
Its a little more complicated than that.
Oh sorry, I forgot, the paperwork is always so challenging…
and whoopie it’s a “little more challenging”…nothing a few hundy can’t seem to take care of…
If by poor you mean actually trying to uphold What Jesus Would Do then I can see why a Republican would feel that way….
Actually, Tom, it’s not. I know a guy who had been married for 15 years, has three kids, and then left his wife and family for the ultimate trophy wife. Of course, he wanted to marry the trophy wife in the church so he went for an annulment. His reason for the annulment: At his bachelor party (15 yrs earlier!) – the night before the wedding – he claimed he had too much to drink. The annulment was granted.
This was a complete slap in the face to his first wife and his children. How does the church justify their decision to the ones left behind? And my example is not the exception. I know at least 11 people who have received annulments – quite easily. Dare I say too easily.
well…easily enough to consider the whole “still married in the eyes of the church” thing a joke.
How does the church justify their decision to the ones left behind?
Pretty easy to justify on pragmatic grounds. Would you want the prick to stay with his wife and kids and diddle Ms. Trophy on the side? Or would you want him to leave his wife but be unable to marry Ms. Trophy, and raise a bunch of bastards?
Instead, they let Mr. Prick marry Ms. Trophy, and the Church at least has a shot at getting the kids souls.
It is amazing how pragmatic the Church can become when there is money involved.
So does marriage as a secular institution have no sanctity? Does Mrs. DV know that you don’t think much of the whole institution?
Do you consider yourself Catholic or no?
I’m not religious but I can imagine that getting an annulment would be a slap in the face. It’s basically saying that the marriage didn’t exist, right? So that means all those children are little mistakes.
Marriage became a secular institution when the state got involved. I, for one, would prefer to have a civil union if that was available. I was married by a judge. I didn’t want the church to have anything to do with my marriage.
The point is that “marriage” can mean whatever the two people married want it to mean and I don’t get to tell you. If it isn’t religious for you, that’s fine. If it has no sanctity for you, that’s fine. If it is simply a way to raise a family or to recognize your relationship with your spouse or whatever, that’s OK.
How you define your marriage is frankly none of my business and it has no relevance to how I define my own. The entire religious argument that a homosexual marriage redefines mine is a smoke screen for relgious zealots who think gays are sinning. It’s a insult to my intelligence. Actually every argument against gay marriage is an insult to my intelligence.
Go ahead and propose one.
DG: couldn’t have said it any better.
Duffy: you have been coming to this website long enough to know that DV doesn’t hide his views about anything. He puts it out there and does the same in all aspects of his life. DV is a loving husband and father and we (as DG said) define our marriage as it works for us NOT what any religious/political/cultural norm tells us to define it. Plain and simple.
Duffy,
to your first question. After I got done laughing I am able to type my answer.
NO. I will spare you my diatribe as to why considering I just wrote a post that took me 45 minutes sort of explaining why I don’t.
I don’t even know where to begin with your next question. You think my wife doesn’t know my views on marriage? Why would it matter if she didn’t know how I feel. Like it would offend her? Her Cinderalla dream of having a luxurious wedding would be shattered when she learns I think it is a big joke. One big money making machine for the Church and the local economy.
Do I consider myself a Catholic or no? Why is that relevant?
I consider myself enlightened my friend.
to my misinformed friend Tom S
Oh, and my kids won’t be raised bigots. I would venture to say that the SMM has way more of influence on it’s children being bigots then the way I will raise my kids.
I would dare say that a majority of it’s parents most likely send their kids to that school to avoid having to be in public schools of wilmington b/c of the various races that attend the schools.
All you have to do is run to your favorite Priest at Sallies like Vinny Scott did and they will forgive you and you will also be allowed to make your children Bastards for that was the result. Because he said I may have been able to kick field goals but I was a bit immature to get married. What a ASSHOLE!!!!
DV and Mrs. DV,
My intent here was not to offend or insult. Rather, I misread his final line. I originally took it as he had no faith in the institution itself which puzzled me. Upon reread I can see how it was more about the trouble with the sanctity of the institution as practiced at large not personally.
“Do I consider myself a Catholic or no? Why is that relevant?”
Just curious. I find that a good many people who share your views still consider themselves Catholic which is odd.
Final point: annulment doesn’t mean the marriage never happened but rather there was some flaw that prevented the marriage to coming to proper fruition. (But yes it is essentially a weasel way of offering divorce)
Annulment is the ultimate “do-over.”
Or you could always start your own church, like Henry VIII. Then all bets are off!
I’m hooked on Showtime’s The Tudors. My sympathies are with Henry! 🙂