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	<title>Comments on: Republican Talking Point Smackdown &#8212; Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae Are Not Responsible for the Meltdown</title>
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		<title>By: Donsquishy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donsquishy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>logic doesn&#039;t work on republicans Rfk.  accepting responsibility could be mean you are wrong.  Being wrong is weak, and being weak is for liberals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>logic doesn&#8217;t work on republicans Rfk.  accepting responsibility could be mean you are wrong.  Being wrong is weak, and being weak is for liberals.</p>
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		<title>By: rfk</title>
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		<dc:creator>rfk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mitchell,

Don&#039;t mistake &quot;partly responsible&quot; for &quot;primarily responsible.&quot;  Republicans have controlled the White House for the past 8 years, 20 of the past 28 years, and have controlled Congress for 12 of the last 14, (and held enough seats in the last two years to uphold Bush vetos) but of course the mess we are in now is the Democrats fault.   Republican propagandists truly have no shame. I love the citation to Republican efforts to regulate Fannie and Freddie. Those efforts occurred while the Republicans controlled Congress, but of course, its the Democrats fault.    Most of the Republican claims are similarly laughable, if it weren&#039;t that so many in our dumbed down soociety fall for them.  One of my favorites is that because Fannie and Freddie bought up the better sub prime mortgage backed securities fromWall Street investment bankers,  e.g. the Lehman Bros. of the world, it freed up more money for the private sector to invest in the really bad mortgages.  That is the kind of &quot;excuse&quot; your mother woundn&#039;t buy, &quot;Fannie and Freddie made me do it.&quot;  

As for Canadian health care, try asking some Canadians how they like it, some will complain but the vast majority in poll after poll do not want to see a system like the US has, and why in the world would they want the most expensive system with one of the worst &quot;outcomes&quot; records of industrialized nations.     I would think for the 47 million or so U.S. uninsured that George Bush said can just go to the emergency room would be damn glad to get &quot;Canadian quality health care.&quot;  Don&#039;t you think the Candians would have abandoned theirs if it was so bad.

You need to find a way to differentiate between propaganda and fact.  You will see some distortion without question from the Democrats, but lets face, ever since the  days of Lee Atwater&#039;s dirty tricks brigade, through the &quot;independent&quot; Swift Boat ads, the Republicans have made it an art form; and after all, what else can they do, run on their real adgenda, &quot;we want to take care of CEO&#039;s and the top 1%, and the rest of you can  go to hell.&quot;  They have to smear and propagandize to have any chance at all, and they get plenty of money for their top 1% patrons to run their appeals to the worst in all of us, selfishness, intoleance , and fear.  Don&#039;t worry though, as long as the Republicans keep appealling to the worst in human nature, they will always be able win some, if not most of the elections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitchell,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t mistake &#8220;partly responsible&#8221; for &#8220;primarily responsible.&#8221;  Republicans have controlled the White House for the past 8 years, 20 of the past 28 years, and have controlled Congress for 12 of the last 14, (and held enough seats in the last two years to uphold Bush vetos) but of course the mess we are in now is the Democrats fault.   Republican propagandists truly have no shame. I love the citation to Republican efforts to regulate Fannie and Freddie. Those efforts occurred while the Republicans controlled Congress, but of course, its the Democrats fault.    Most of the Republican claims are similarly laughable, if it weren&#8217;t that so many in our dumbed down soociety fall for them.  One of my favorites is that because Fannie and Freddie bought up the better sub prime mortgage backed securities fromWall Street investment bankers,  e.g. the Lehman Bros. of the world, it freed up more money for the private sector to invest in the really bad mortgages.  That is the kind of &#8220;excuse&#8221; your mother woundn&#8217;t buy, &#8220;Fannie and Freddie made me do it.&#8221;  </p>
<p>As for Canadian health care, try asking some Canadians how they like it, some will complain but the vast majority in poll after poll do not want to see a system like the US has, and why in the world would they want the most expensive system with one of the worst &#8220;outcomes&#8221; records of industrialized nations.     I would think for the 47 million or so U.S. uninsured that George Bush said can just go to the emergency room would be damn glad to get &#8220;Canadian quality health care.&#8221;  Don&#8217;t you think the Candians would have abandoned theirs if it was so bad.</p>
<p>You need to find a way to differentiate between propaganda and fact.  You will see some distortion without question from the Democrats, but lets face, ever since the  days of Lee Atwater&#8217;s dirty tricks brigade, through the &#8220;independent&#8221; Swift Boat ads, the Republicans have made it an art form; and after all, what else can they do, run on their real adgenda, &#8220;we want to take care of CEO&#8217;s and the top 1%, and the rest of you can  go to hell.&#8221;  They have to smear and propagandize to have any chance at all, and they get plenty of money for their top 1% patrons to run their appeals to the worst in all of us, selfishness, intoleance , and fear.  Don&#8217;t worry though, as long as the Republicans keep appealling to the worst in human nature, they will always be able win some, if not most of the elections.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love these &quot;Yeah, Yeah&quot; responses.... There&#039;s some real meat there guys. Yeah!  Duh, no one implied they were solely responsible. You&#039;re right, they are not.  The  Democrats push for everyone in a home regardless of their economic realities is more to blame. You can package it any way you want, but the general ideas are simply socialist and are wrong for America, just as health care is likely to end up Canadian quality if people don&#039;t start using their intelligence and realize the Democratic party are not truly forward thinking and not only fail to see the big picture, but then missapropriate the &quot;blame&quot;.  
 For the record, Fannie and Freddie, while not &quot;the cause&quot; were certainly a part of the puzzle and Democrats openly resisted Republican-led efforts to regulate them further. Imagine that, requiring that people actually &quot;qualify&quot; for a loan might have saved us from this.  This is not my personal &quot;opinion&quot;. You don&#039;t have to be an elitist Harvard grad to understand this. You just have to be one to turn it around and blame the other party evidently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love these &#8220;Yeah, Yeah&#8221; responses&#8230;. There&#8217;s some real meat there guys. Yeah!  Duh, no one implied they were solely responsible. You&#8217;re right, they are not.  The  Democrats push for everyone in a home regardless of their economic realities is more to blame. You can package it any way you want, but the general ideas are simply socialist and are wrong for America, just as health care is likely to end up Canadian quality if people don&#8217;t start using their intelligence and realize the Democratic party are not truly forward thinking and not only fail to see the big picture, but then missapropriate the &#8220;blame&#8221;.<br />
 For the record, Fannie and Freddie, while not &#8220;the cause&#8221; were certainly a part of the puzzle and Democrats openly resisted Republican-led efforts to regulate them further. Imagine that, requiring that people actually &#8220;qualify&#8221; for a loan might have saved us from this.  This is not my personal &#8220;opinion&#8221;. You don&#8217;t have to be an elitist Harvard grad to understand this. You just have to be one to turn it around and blame the other party evidently.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Cassandra!</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Protack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Protack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were co conspirators in this entire episode.

The other cohorts are Congress, The Executive Branch and of course the Banks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were co conspirators in this entire episode.</p>
<p>The other cohorts are Congress, The Executive Branch and of course the Banks.</p>
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		<title>By: Post Rescue - Meltdown 101 &#8212; Down With Absolutes!</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2008/09/28/republican-talking-point-smackdown-freddie-mac-and-fannie-mae-are-not-responsible-for-the-meltdown/#comment-64625</link>
		<dc:creator>Post Rescue - Meltdown 101 &#8212; Down With Absolutes!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Our friends over at DL give us a donkey&#8217;s-eye view of the financial crisis that conveniently b... Ahhh, the sweet smell of predictability. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Our friends over at DL give us a donkey&#8217;s-eye view of the financial crisis that conveniently b&#8230; Ahhh, the sweet smell of predictability. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Delaware's greatest blog postererer..er</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delaware's greatest blog postererer..er</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>outstanding post Cass.  

I have one criticism. 

Facts...you had way to many of them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>outstanding post Cass.  </p>
<p>I have one criticism. </p>
<p>Facts&#8230;you had way to many of them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dominique</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dominique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick question - do your &#039;wingnut friends&#039; live in your mirror?  

Sorry...couldn&#039;t resist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick question &#8211; do your &#8216;wingnut friends&#8217; live in your mirror?  </p>
<p>Sorry&#8230;couldn&#8217;t resist.</p>
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		<title>By: Pandora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pandora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How dare you try and confuse the situation with facts and fancy, elitist charts!  It&#039;s all Bill Clinton&#039;s fault.


Seriously, impressive post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How dare you try and confuse the situation with facts and fancy, elitist charts!  It&#8217;s all Bill Clinton&#8217;s fault.</p>
<p>Seriously, impressive post.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Matthews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Willing</title>
		<link>http://www.delawareliberal.net/2008/09/28/republican-talking-point-smackdown-freddie-mac-and-fannie-mae-are-not-responsible-for-the-meltdown/#comment-64567</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Willing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Cass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Cass.</p>
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