That’s It. If Karen Hartley Nagel Wins The Primary I am Voting For Mike Castle
I’ve spent the past 8 years trying to get rid of Mike Castle, and 25 hours ago I was still pulling for Karen in spite of her lackluster campaign and unhinged, lunatic supporters.
However, after two very strange calls from Karen in the past 24 hours, I am now 100% certain that she should never be granted the confidence and faith of the electorate under any circumstances.
During the first call yesterday, she claimed that Delaware Liberal “guaranteed” a Mike Castle victory by endorsing Jerry Northington. On the face of it, that claim is nonsense. But Okay, she was upset. Whatever.
Then this morning she called to claim that Delaware Liberal was:
1) Behind the vandalism of her car and
2) Responsible for having her office computers infected with a virus. [Note: she said that someone who had access to the computers gave it the virus.]
She further said that she was contacting the police because “You need to stop this.”
I told her that contacting the police was the exact right thing to do, because if what she said was right, she was the victim of serious crimes. I continued, “but what does all this that have to do with the site or with me? Why are you calling me about it?”
She didn’t have much of a response for that question other than to say that Delaware Liberal was the hub of negativity about her, she also insisted that we stop doing whatever we are doing.
OMG! She has gone off the tracks. I have an alibi. 🙂
I suppose this sort of behavior is to be expected if you have Liz Allen as an advisor.
BLAME YOUR ROUTER!!!!!
That affects my vote.
rsmitty is one funny conservative.
Call the police Karen. In fact, I will be pleased to give them my whereabouts on whatever day your car was vandalized and your computers infected.
She is nothing but a conspiracy theorist now, undeserving of any serious consideration.
Jason,
Did she REALLY say De. Lib. was behind the vandalism of her car? THINK REAL HARD, JASON.
Yes.
Mike, why do you doubt Jason? I have been on the receiving end of her phone calls too in the past. I firmly believe she blames DL because we criticize her.
I think this deserves the first ever Delaware Liberal Press Release:
Perennial Candidate KHN Blames Bloggers for Failed Campaign and a Whole List of Other Stuff!
Indeed, I guess she is saying that if we don’t stop criticizing her, she will call the police on us. Indeed, she has made much of her alliance with Tom Gordon, a former police chief.
Karen, you are now a Rovian goon with that threat. Go to Hell.
This is nuts. I never had a strong opinion either way when it came to KHN, but I do now.
And I agree. The police should be called.
I’m thinking that Jason should call the police and get a restraining order on her.
rsmitty is one funny conservative.
Oh, dear God, that is one label you should not place on me (uh, I mean the conservative label, I will accept ‘funny’). Yes, I am a Republican, but get that conservative label away. Fiscally right, socially slight-left-of-center. Kind of a TR-type, if you will. I don’t dare say Rockefeller, because from what I read, he was sort of a jellyfish.
omg-can I say this without supporting McCain- 911 911 911
rsmitty I sincerely apologize. Just let me say I look around for your posts and appreciate your positions. and you crack me up.Especially where Protack is concerned.
I have to remove myself from this conversation. Of the three Congressional candidates, I’ve become quite friendly with two, Jerry and Karen, both of whom I feel would make great Congresspersons.
You all know I’m biased and am quite friendly with Karen. You all know she also has a fascinating history with the Democratic Party that has earned her no fans with the leadership. Yes, there have been threats made against her by an associate of an elected official. Unlike certain commenters here, I will not name names for fear of being called a “whacko.”
I find it hard to believe that Karen accused Delaware Liberal of the vandalism to her car. That’s all I’ll say. Any other defense of Karen would clearly be filed under “He’s Just a Fanboy.”
Mike –
I was dumbfounded by her assertion that Delaware liberal was somehow connected as well.
Especially where Protack is concerned.
Hey, give Protack credit, too. He just makes it like a kid in a candy store. What else can I say?
So what Mike is basically saying is that Jason is lying. Yeah, nice way to remove yourself from this conversation.
DelDem,
I never fucking said that and you know it. I consider myself friends with both Jason and Karen and all I’m saying is I find it hard to believe that a woman I’ve known for more than two years would say “Delaware Liberal is behind the vandalism to my car.” Call it whatever the fuck you want.
I think what we’re missing here — and what all three Dem candidates and the folks at De Lib need to realize — is that Castle is not beatable. I don’t care what Karen and Jerry or their supporters tell me. Castle could be the Devil and the Dems could put up Jesus and Castle would still win.
So either we just wait for another stroke or wait two years when Castle retires and Chris Coons will be ready to take the seat (as many are speculating), which frightens me even more than two more years of Castle, especially after reading about this land use mess.
It’s cool Mike. I’m removing myself as well. There is no winner in this type of thing.
I just wanted to get it out there because I was going to be a KHN suppoerter after the primary. Now I’m not.
I don’t think any of what Mike said indicates he thinks Jason is lying at all. I believe both sides on that. I sincerely believe Jason is telling the truth about what he heard, but I also believe Mike in that for how he knows Karen, it will take a lot of substantive proof to swing his opinion.
Seriously, give Mike some slack. I, for one, should know what it’s like to defend a friend on the blogosphere when you feel like you are the only one standing. I think Jason will give him that slack. Don’t go all indignant on Jason’s behalf.
Mike, I think that if you can’t be unbiased in defending Karen, I think that is a very principled stand.
However, if Karen is going to make charges like this, she ought to come here and defend them herself or call the police and let them do their thing. If she is getting threats from officials, she should be naming names and defending herself and letting the rest of us in on the character of this alleged official.
I do not know Karen’s history with the Democratic party here, but what I do know is that she needs to be up front and in person to make or defend these charges because her self-selected surrogates (you excluded, Mike) simply are not credible communicators.
Thanks, Cassandra. Karen told me half-an-hour ago that when she gets into the office she’d be offering a reply.
For Jason to even intimate that he would vote for Castle is reason enough for me to believe he was a good boy and wrote truth. Now he should be a better boy and really vote for Castle!!!
Ok, I overreacted there Mike. My apologies. You are in the middle. You are not saying Jason is lying. I wasn’t being fair.
I will never be able to vote Castle (and neither will Jason), but I will not vote for Karen either. Is Michael Berg running again?
Wow. This reminds me of the parent who tells the child “have you ever noticed trouble follows you where ever you go? maybe it isnt following you, but riding on your shoulder.”
My take is that there is only one, slim chance to beat Mike Castle in 2008.
One of the three Democratic candidates needs to win big on Tuesday. My money (figuratively and literally) is on Jerry Northington. While KHN support is quite visible in postings (by one or two individuals) at DL, her financial reports (at least those that she files) show very low level of individual contributions (20% of Jerry’s as of the 6/30/08 report, if memory serves), and Mike Miller is an empty candidate.
Only with a big victory on Tuesday would the national party consider the seat winnable in November, and be willing to bankroll the winning candidate.
The odds of a landslide on Tuesday are not great, but if the voters speak loudly enough, then there is a chance that we can get three DE D’s in Congress come January.
To beat Castle in November, determine the candidate most likely to win on Tuesday, and do what you can to get him/her to win big. I, DL, and PDD believe that candidate is Jerry Northington.
Nah. The only way to beat Castle is to run a Denn or a Carney or a Coons or a Markell against him. And it should have been done in 2006.
I like Jerry and I support him, but he has really no chance to beat him.
Right on the money there, DelDem. We need a “celebrity” Dem to take out Castle. Anything less will simply have to wait for his retirement. Then, the Dems will certainly have the seat for as long as they like (Unless Copeland steps in as projected, which would certainly be a tough race, with the Dem coming out the victor, I’m sure!).
Here is the way I see it playing out.
Obama-Biden wins.
Markell or Carney wins Governorship. (I have no idea who wins the primary).
Minner appoints herself to serve as a caretaker Senator for two years, and promises not to run for reelection in 2010, as as to allow for a real competition to determine our next Senator.
Castle v. Beau Biden in 2010 for the Senate.
Markell/Carney loser v. Copeland for the House.
I really haven’t seen that much ant-KHN stuff on DeLib, unless you count endorsing Northington, which you shouldn’t count.
I am eagerly awaiting KHNs statement.
You should write a letter to the Snooze Journal, J!
Hell, I foresee a great solution here. Let’s say Carney loses the primary and Biden resigns early. That could allow Carney to become Governor after all.
Joe, I don’t see much anti-KHN stuff either, but I think that her self-selected surrogates see any challenge to them as anti-KHN.
Yeah, there is tons I could write about KHN but I don’t.
I’m not sure I agree with this doom and gloom that Castle can’t be beaten this year.
Political history is rife with situations exactly like this one, where the general belief about the certainty of a particular outcome in a race.
Cases in point, exactly one year ago, John McCain was broke, his campaign was in disarray and pretty much everyone said he was done for good. Also one year ago, Hillary Clinton couldn’t lose the Democratic nomination in the opinion of most observers.
The facts are clearly very different now.
I agree with PBaumbach that all of us need get behind a single candidate becaus a big primary win on Tuesday would be a huge boost.
And THIS year there are some solid factors favoring the Democrat in November:
1. There will likely be coat tails, allowing for more straight party voting
2. Castle showed vulnerability last time out, and the Democratic Party on the national level has publicly said they will target Delaware during the 2008 general election
3. With Biden on the ticket, the Democrats have more incentive for a sweep in Deleware.
I’ve really looked at all the candidates and I also agree that Mr. Northington is the one to back. It’s time to think about November and all get behind one candidate –Northington.
Where’s her statement? Or did Del Lib destroy her keyboard?
If we have a candidate in the primary field who can beat Castle, it has to be Northington. I’ve been using my influence to to get people to vote for him. Unfortunately, the entire campaign has been somewhat silent because none of the candidates have raised enough money to put up a good showing. On primary day, it’s going to be pretty much the luck f the draw between Jerry and KHN. Miller is a non-factor.
I hate to say this, but the problem is the Dems themselves. They’re not getting behind any of them with any cash because they know McCastle is unbeatable.
PI,
I’ve heard Northngton advertisements on the radio –they sound great. I think that will help.
It will also help if we all get out there and tell anyone we know who can vote in the Democratic Primary to get behind Northington.
This is about beating Castle, now.
Mike – Any word from KHN on WTF she was thinking? I know you have her number in that phone of yours…
They aren’t getting behind any of them with cash because they are not asking.
I write checks to candidates and I participate in the netroots fundraising stuff. Not one of these candidates has been able to find me to ask for funds. Except for Jerry Northington who has had fundraisers at dKos.
And if these candidates don’t know how to reach out to known Dem funders then they aren’t running the kind of campaigns that will beat Mike Castle, are they?
LG…I have her number too, but I ain’t calling.
Hang around with Gordon long enough and you’d be paranoid too.
Everyone…it is even a little more insidious than the DelDems not supporting the candidates because they don’t think they can beat Castle.
I think they do not want Castle beaten.
Remember the Delaware Way.
The Delaware Way holds that the House seat is owned by Castle until he retires from it.
The Delaware Way had Carper and Castle switch jobs in 1992.
The Delaware Way was offended by Carper challenging Roth in 2000, and Roth would have won if he had not fallen asleep during the debate.
The DelDems don’t want Castle defeated. That is why no celebrity Dem is challenging him, and that is why they do not support the candidates currently running
What is sort of odd about this DD, is that I have heard about other shenanigans of KHN supporters that are pissing off some of the DelDems — enough that I personally have heard some DelDems talk about supporting Northington. And this was just yesterday. If they and more of them had gotten serious about this situation earlier perhaps Northington might have a chance.
If KHN’s supporters are Nancy and Liz, well then I can totally understand.
Mike, you said, Yes, there have been threats made against her by an associate of an elected official. Unlike certain commenters here, I will not name names for fear of being called a “whacko.”
Did you hear those threats yourself? Because the people she surrounds herself with aren’t to be trusted to tell the truth.
Cassandra,
That’s why everyone getting behind Northington on Tuesday would help. A bigger showing means more credibility. It sure seems like it’s time for Democrats to back one candidate.
Jason,
I want to be very clear – no one is a surrogate for me or represents me or my views on the blogs. I am easily accessible and very open to anyone who has a question (302) 465-1365, any time.
Next, I am surprised that you would choose to misrepresent a private conversation with you this morning during which I requested your help. I called you after no less than 10 telephone calls to me this morning regarding the negative comments that were allegedly on your blog and could any of those individuals be connected to the threats against me and the physical attacks on my property. The individuals that contacted me are very concerned about my personal safety and my children and asked could any of the comments on your site be contributing to inciting the attacks. I also told you that I have been campaigning and had not seen the posts – could you let me know if there were any threats.
I never said that Delaware Liberal was responsible for anything. You entirely make that up and when you asked me if I believed Delaware Liberal was responsible — I told you NO. My concern as I shared with you and still is my concern is the threats and the attacks on my property. And “it must stop”. The threats made both directly to me and anonymously, the smashing of my car window and the damage done inside, the viruses on my office computers are all red flags as to an escalating situation that places myself and my family in harm’s way. I told you I was very concerned and at this point frightened as to how far someone would go. We agreed that you would make that same call to me if you thought it could prevent harm and that it may be coming from someone posting and were there any comments that were threatening.
I also told you the police had already been contacted two days ago when you asked me if I had called them. You were not listening, talking over me and I corrected you twice. Jason, this is not about Delaware Liberal. This is about someone who is willing to do harm and could do further harm and how far will they go. I have a family to protect – your site was a connection to reported negatively and a phone call to you was not unreasonable to eliminate the possibility of someone posting on your site being the person or people responsible.
Jason, I did call you yesterday, we have had numerous conversations over the last year and I have never been under the impression that you supported my candidacy, but we do agree that Congressman Castle does not represent our views. I did not say “Delaware Liberal “guaranteed” a Mike Castle victory by endorsing Jerry Northington” . I said, “If Jerry should win, as he is so far left that would guarantee Mike Castle a victory.” Delawawareans are in the middle and view Castle as a moderate, most people in politics will agree with this analysis.
DelDem as to your comment, you have asked me to contact you with information. The last time was a while ago regarding my poll you were commenting on. To avoid publicly correcting your false information, I called you with the correct information to which you replied you were grateful and then asked me to call you again if I had more information.
Finally, yes, I have been threatened by an official, publicly with witnesses, privately and through another person. I did not go public with this and addressed it directly. It has not stopped. I am a candidate with a family and I do not deserve to be threatened or intimidated for choosing to run for office. These are crimes that have been committed, I would have wished that Jason would have been sensitive to and responded to the request for help and not instead choose to sensationalize and misrepresent a conversation for political reasons. Jason, I hope that you never have this experience should you choose public service and that you receive help when requested, not because your a candidate, but because we are all in this together and no one deserves to be harassed, intimidated, threatened and their property destroyed for seeking public service.
Obviously we have differing impressions of the conversation and who was talking over who.
Good luck with your campaign.
Jason,
You put all of this out there and then you simply throw your hands up and say “I’m done?” Dude, this reminds me of something you did over at my place re: the CC issue. First, you take a phone conversation between you and Karen and blast it on here for your thousands of readers to see. Then, you get a rational, reasoned response from Karen. And then you say, essentially, “Fuck it. There’s nothing to see here.” Jason, I’m losing all respect for you. You put this bullshit out here and you don’t want to deal with the ramifications?
This is ridiculous. You like to come out and demand that Dominique simply say she hates Obama. I wish you would just do the same for KHN. It would make reading your ridiculous smear posts against her all the more hilarious.
Fact is, I have dozens of conversations with politicians and candidates EVERY week. After each call, I don’t go blabbing about the contents of said call without the express permission of the caller. While Karen tells me she didn’t tell you the conversation was “off the record,” she does tell me it wasnm’t “on the record.” You’re a ridiculous, vindictive guy. Get over Spivack, Jason. It’s time. He couldn’t have beat Castle with or without KHN running third party. All youi’ve done in the two years since is make snide, offensive comments about her that have culminated in the above post.
Again, I’m friends with Karen, but I don’t feel like I have to defend her honor. Not in the least. All I know is you have a history of simply “throwing your hands in the air” when you’ve been schooled on an issue.
I don’t think anyone should take anything you write about KHN seriously because you’re as biased as I am. Except I haven’t left all rational thought and fairness behind in my arguments.
Mike,
Like I said, there is no winner in something like this. So I don’t see the merit in saying that Karen’s version is a lie. (Which it is.)
Until today I was ready and willing to support Karen against Mike Castle and now I’m not. You, Domniique, Liz and Karen can imagine anything you want about what my motivations are – but I said I’ll I need to say on the topic.
Based on her the content and tone of her call to me, my clear-headed and rational impression is that she has no business being in goverment.
Fine. In all honesty we’ve learned more about you through this post than KHN.
Mike….
He is not saying “He’s done.” He is saying it is a “he said, she said” matter. Karen offered her side of the story. Jason disagrees with her interpretation, but what else is there to say?
Right, Mike. Like the way you stayed all rational when FSP asked you for similar “help,” I suppose.
Maybe you will get better results by threatening him with a subpena.
Mike, I thought you were removing yourself from this conversation. Maybe you are just a fanboy.
Anon88,
Huh? I’m not understanding your attempt at a parallel.
You bet he is. This isn’t the only female candidate his drool is on.
At least I post my name to my bullshit, Anon88.
Dave Burriss asked you for help and you yelped like a scalded dog because he mentioned he was getting the law involved. Karen claims she wants the names behind negative comments (look them up yourself, you’ve got plenty of time it seems) and mentions the law is getting involved, but you’re OK with that because you like her.
Still can’t see?
Some can’t use their names, Mike. Surprised you would complain. Do all those dozens of people you talk to every week talk to you on the record, with their names attached?
I’ve never supported Karen’s demand to have those names, you ass. I don’t even know if that’s what she was requesting. So don’t twist this shit to make it look like I’m inconsistent.
Obviously, someone is not telling the truth. both parties involved know there was no way to prove who said what so it is he said/she said. And who to believe…a blogger or a social activist?
All i am saying is close the comments on this, becuase all it will do is degrade to more name calling and stating wild assumptions.
You’re inconsistent because you wanted sympathy when your panties were in a knot, but you won’t extend that courtesy to Jason. And I’d rather be an ass than a pathetic panty-sniffer who can’t control himself around female politicians.
Anon88,
I was never asking for sympathy before, you smacked ass. I was simply having fun exposing Burris. If that’s how you read it, then your comprehension skills aren’t quite up to snuff and I’d recommend a return to the third grade.
I’m not extending Jason any sympathy because I know his history with KHN. Say what you will about me and my silly site. I try to keep it light and ridiculous, but I don’t think I’ve ever posted anything like what Jason has posted above. I’ve gone after Paul Clark, Stephanie McClellan, Ruth Ann Minner, John Carney and various other state and federal legislators. But I think there’s always been some meat to the matters I write about. Everything above is nothing but metastasized hate on Jason’s part.
As for being a panty-sniffer who can’t control himself around female politicians, you’ve never met me around any of these women. I talk a talk on line. Ask Christine. Ask Karen. Ask anyone. Believe it or not, I’m actually a harmless little puppy when I’m in the physical presence of them.
Perhaps it’s you who’s reading into this shit too much.
Mike,
I stand by this post and I think that that if someone threatened to call the cops on you, you would find it blog worthy.
So now you’re saying Karen threatened to call the cops on you? We definitely need to get to the bottom of this. If she did that, then I will certainly come out condemning such an action.
Clearly KHN does not think she threatened me, but that was the clear purpose of the call from my perspective.
As I put two and two together now, she knew that someone was going to note that she missed a filing deadline and wanted to pre-empt that story by either putting a chill into me or turn everything into personalities.
That is just conjecture on my part, but if that was her plan – it kinda worked.
“That is just conjecture on my part, but if that was her plan – it kinda worked.”
You use the conditional word “if” in your final sentence. What you’ve actually done here is slandered her in every form imaginable by posting this shit as truth when you admit it “is just conjecture on [your] part.” Fucking pathetic, Jason. As much as I love this site, I’m beginning to think you’ve lost all sense of decency. Yes, that coming from a guy who revels in his indecency.
You’ve got such a great cabal of writers here. Geek, Cassandra, DelDem, Pandora, and even the awesome DonViti. But you’ve acted way irresponsible in this mess.
Please.
You know full well that that last sentence was me wondering about her motives.
All the other shit I don’t have to wonder about because I was a first hand witness. You’d have posted the same post if it happened to you so spare me the lectures.
No, I wouldn’t have posted the same thing, Jason and don’t say I would. I have a policy when I talk to people. If it’s something I don’t witness in public (like a county council meeting), then I ask the person if I could write about something. You, on the other hand, took what should have been a personal phone conversation and twisted into what it is now. You have no fucking ethics. All you have is hatred of KHN. That’s it.
I am biased on KHN. Why do you think I haven’t written more than a handful of posts on her in the past year? Honest. Go and search my site Jason and find out where I’ve written anything overly fawning on KHN. Maybe one or two posts. In fact, the last overtly praiseworthy KHN post was back in May. You, on the other hand, are biased AGAINST Karen because of your continued hissy fits over her fusion run two years ago AND her calling out your PDD girlfriends on their ejecting her from Common Cause last year.
So, anything YOU write on KHN should be just as suspect as anything I write on KHN. It’s just a shame that those rose-colored glasses you’ve been seeing through aren’t available to the rest of us.
By the way, no hard feelings. I’ll buy you a drink at the next Drinking Liberally and we can talk about the game plan to take out McCain-Palin.
I agree with Jason that he got played by KHN.
Let’s get back to the real issue of who should be representing the people of Delaware in the U.S. Congress. Jerry Northington is the real deal. Jerry doesn’t play behind-the-scenes games. He has integrity and an incredible breadth of knowledge and life experience. He WILL beat Castle if we all stop the in-fighting and get behind him.
Mike,
I really don’t have lingering hard feelings over fusion, but I get why you and others might think that.
No hard feelings. I’ll take you up on that drink.
No hard feelings. I’ll take you up on that drink.
A free drink. Shuts him up every time. 😀
I have to agree with Sojourner here. We need to focus on the end game. Northington is the best chance of beating Castle in November. That is what is important.
This thread started before 10 this morning. What a waste of valuable time before a serious primary. There’s work to be done! Let’s get Jerry the votes he needs to take this campaign forward. KHN is yesterday’s news.
Man–you guys had me all worried…glad to see it ended w/ everyone drinkin’ and makin’ out–I mean making up—darn week of Freudian slips….Geek…WHEN IS THE NEXT MEETING!!!!!?????? The calendar is screaming for something!!!
“Mike,
I stand by this post and I think that that if someone threatened to call the cops on you, you would find it blog worthy.”
What would give you that idea? *cough* *cough*
Joanne – I looked for you last night and was blown off for “pigs-in-a-blanket” I suggest that you come out to hang with us election night. If you are interested, let me know. Fair warning, though, you will have to cheer for the Democrats to blend in.
Come on out, Joanne. I’ll be there with Geek!
Well I found my cell phone this AM in the car…w/ message left from Czerwinski last nite asking me if I was going because he just found out about the meeting, and hightailed it up there….so grateful as I am that he heard “accidentally” and showed up…I was absolutely dumbfounded to see YOUR post this AM–THANK YOU for the great work…And there are a few Democrats I can cheer for!!! But don’t overwhelm me…..
#43 Cassandra, my dear, isn’t it a fact that candidates must get the ‘support’ (ala Carney) of X number of rep. districts before the state party will part with a dime?
#47 Cassandra, pray tell, who are the DelDems? To the best of my knowledge DelDem is the name of a single blogger. Maybe they are like the Delaware Young Democrats who announced themselves just this week with a nasty smear on KHN!
Who are these DelDem and DYD groups? Without any record to stand on do think they have the right to try to sway an election? Let’s have some names, please……in America we have the right to confront our accusers.
I, for one, am sickened and disgusted by the many displays of meaness and madness on DL regarding the upcoming primay. Most local media have a ‘black out’ period right before the election. I strongly suggest DL take a clue and do likewise.
MIKE MATTHEWS: You, Sir, are a Scholar and a Gentleman. You have been the only beacon of hope in this whole mess.
I, for one, am sickened and disgusted by the many displays of meaness and madness on DL regarding the upcoming primay. Most local media have a ‘black out’ period right before the election. I strongly suggest DL take a clue and do likewise.
I agree, the Tom Gordon supporters have been awful. Or did you only mean Coons supporters? See it cuts both ways. If you don’t like our picks, don’t vote for them. If you see us saying something the is refutable, comment. But under no circumstances will we just shut up in the days before an election. And honestly, I would hope you do the same.
“Most local media have a ‘black out’ period right before the election.”
Really? please elaborate.
MIKE MATTHEWS: You, Sir, are a Scholar and a Gentleman. .
Mike would be quick to disagree with you on that point.
I think I’m with Jason on this one…
Jason…re: black out.check it out yourself. I don’t want to carry you political newbies all the time.
I am entitiled to my opinion, as you are entitiled to yours, and Mike Matthews is entitled to his.
My comment stands on its own merit.
I still love me some Susan, though!
Susan Regis Collins, my dear, perhaps you would reread my post at #43 and know that I made no reference to state or local committees or perhaps you are unaware that regular citizens can be moved to contribute to a campaign?
DelDems is the local jargon for Delaware Democrats as a group. Which you might know if you had the grace to figure out what we are doing here rather than just jump in with pretty damn clueless criticisms.
As for the local media blackout? I did note that the News Journal (referenced around here as the NJ or the WNJ, just so you know) today printed almost a page of LTE (oops, Letters to the Editor) and lots of other political news so why don’t you wander on down there and carry those political newbies?
Just to add that what Jason has printed here is far from factual. As I understand it both Jason and DelDEM have had regular phone conversations with KHN. She said that Jason was especially agitated this last time and spoke ‘over her’ and didn’t listen to what she actually said. Therefore his posting is a bunch of what amounts to lies. It is obvious that he said/she said and what Mike Matthews said combine in my mind to the opinion that Jason is thoroughly in the wrong. That said, it is also apparent to me that he was thoroughly clouded by the total crap that Liz Allen had been purporting here.
I hope that KHN and Jason get the chance to review what happened sometime in the future.
What is intersting here is the continual pattern of KHN having constantly misunderstood conversations and statements.
This time it is with Jason.
Then there was that “communications error” with her alleged campaign manager that led to a newspaper editorial that she claims she didn’t write.
The misundertanding about her FEC filings.
At least one endorsement that clearly didn’t happen.
Not listing her office space in her public disclosure filings.
Publicly rebuking her surrogates for thing they have written, claiming to be quoting her, that she now says she didn’t say.
That whole thing about visiting 3,000 businesses (nearly 12 DAY) last year– with “may of them” telling her they hire illegal workers.
And, of course, those constant promises to explain the misunderstandings that never materialize.
Do you see the pattern? It would appear that KHN is constantly misunderstood or misquoted; not a very good trait for someone who wants to represent the Delaware in Congress.
So, Nancy, please tell us why KHN called Jason on Thursday and Friday? Please tell us what hateful things had been said on DelawareLiberal that had Karen so up in arms that she had to call Jason?
Quotes would be nice. Because if “Delaware Liberal endorses Jerry Northington” is too much for her or any politician, then we have further grounds to not support her.
Despite what you might believe, we have been very even-handed with KHN. Her supporters seem to have hair triggers, though. Is this how she would plan to handle elective office? Does she call Ron Williams or Celia Cohen if they happen to mention something bad about KHN or good about Jerry Northington?
Give me a break.
Sorry Mike Miller surrogate:
Not Factual:
Then there was that “communications error” with her alleged campaign manager that led to a newspaper editorial that she claims she didn’t write.
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She never claimed that.
I heard that LIZ ALLEN claimed that, unfortunately. Liz evidently rejected that Karen took a position that put nuclear power ‘on the table’ and Liz took it upon herself to lie about who wrote it.
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There is no misunderstanding about FEC filings. When I spoke to her yesterday she, of course, knew all about the 48 hour filing. That Liz attacked Miller for his lack of filing no doubt has caused his enraged obsession with KHN on this topic.
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Feel free to speak to Cassandra, DL blogger about the Walsh endorsement. It did happen and Walsh changed her mind. Cass will be glad to straighten out any confusion you may still have per this topic, Mike.
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Also per verification with KHN last night, the office space is being billed to her once the Gordon campaign shuts down (after Tuesday).
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Karen worked a job as a regional representative of a temp agency based out of Cherry Hill last year. Question her motives and statements as you may, Mr. Miller, she is going to be the next U.S. Congressional Rep. in my humble opinion.
LG
I am not going to respond to what Karen did or didn’t say or do re: DL because I haven’t been anywhere near these threads to know what the hell has been going on. I did read through some of it and thought that Mike Matthews did a fine job of slicing Jason off at the knees.
Jason is capable of what Jason is capable of doint. He has been down some dicey roads before.
See, the point is, when it comes to Karen Hartley-Nagle, there are ALWAYS these odd misunderstandings and multiple stories and explanations.
It’s always easy to blame others, but in the end, Karen’s campaign has been full of these sorts of problems. If nothing else, it shows she is incapable of controlling even a primary campaign –how on earth would she be able to control a congressional office.
The FEC filings irregularities –including the now LATE filing of her alleged big $5,000 union contribution.
The (now admitted in another thread) acceptance of an illegal campaign loan or in-kind donation from either Tom Gordon or Gordon’s landlord.
Persistant questions about endorsements.
Multiple stories coming from people who claim to speak to KHN about what KHN has or has not written or said.
Again –it’s a pattern, and not a pretty one.
People have a choice in this election –and that choice is whether Democrats are going to nominate a candidate that can take on Mike Castle and win in November.
It is crystal clear Karen Hartley-Nagle is not that person.
It is sad that you democrats are going after KHN this way. You have thrown smears, and made up crap from whole cloth. Your candidate is not winning and you are upset. The blogsphere is mainly you all talking to each other. The voters arent reading your blogs. You are nothing but a bunch of smear mongers.
Anon:
RE: 99, bullshit.
KHN will not win this race; I’ve hardly seen her anywhere. As previously mentioned, she has been suffering from a lot of scandal and some bad press. Her relationship with Gordon is sure to cause some problems, and at the end of the day, Jerry has been pushing his campaign hard to endorse her.
Also, SRC, shame on you for attacking DYD for their endorsement. It would be nice if we could all get our way, but they are a private organization, and KHN clearly didn’t impress.
sedwick: aka; Jason, Geek or some other so called progressive. You cant smear enough its you running a negative campaign. You should be ashamed of yourselves. little rove tactics wont work either.
LAWL. You really think I’m one of the posters? I think you’re Liz Allen. The difference is that, while they always use the same posting name, you use twenty different ones. You have my word, I’m not a poster for DL.
PS, nothing was negative (or at least falsely or unfairly so) in that post. I will say that I made a little slip up — Jerry’s pushing his campaign hard to outrace her, not to endorse her.
See, the point is, when it comes to Karen Hartley-Nagle, there are ALWAYS these odd misunderstandings and multiple stories and explanations.
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What, are you her ex hubby or something? such rancor.
Well put. That was funny Nancy.
Yes, Nancy, that was funny.
What is not so funny is Karen’s neglecting to list her robo-calls in her Pre-primary campaign finance report.
At this point, maybe she can get some tips fromTom Gordon on avoiding jail time by pleading guilty.
Just a thought.