Comments on: Hillary for VP? Oh HELL NO !!

By: GoAheadMakeMyDay

GoAheadMakeMyDay — Fri, 23 May 2008 18:41:55 +0000

Senator Obama,
Put Hillary on the ticket and your online fund raising machine will dry up.

A better idea. Why don’t we split America in two. One has all the white poor uneducated people and Hillary can rule them. She’ll make sure they stay poor and uneducated and white, just to keep their votes. Obama can have the rest of America.

By: Al Mascitti

Al Mascitti — Wed, 14 May 2008 16:55:16 +0000

No, actually, he hasn’t. HIllary has. By the way, didn’t that “naive” card turn out to be a loser several months ago? Wasn’t that the first chunk of ceramic from the kitchen sink?

By: Pandora

Pandora — Wed, 14 May 2008 16:51:26 +0000

Please stop playing up West Virginia. Didn’t Bush carry that state with 57%?

By: jason330

jason330 — Wed, 14 May 2008 16:43:09 +0000

That grown-ups like annon2 want to save the Democratic party from itself like they did when they picked John Kerry.

Thanks but no thanks.

By: annon2

annon2 — Wed, 14 May 2008 16:40:53 +0000

Do you really think McCain is a strong enough campaigner with popular enough positions to move those numbers in his direction?

He already has.

By: annon2

annon2 — Wed, 14 May 2008 16:39:40 +0000

The whole anti-Obama argument boils down to “white people won’t vote for him.”

Not the whole argument, but surely part of it.

There is also the experience factor of a first term Senator which will play in certain states.

There is also a political factor. BHO is to the left of any democratic candidate in a long time and that will play.

And this: Clinton’s victory in West Virginia was decisive. She won men and women. She carried a majority of voters in every age group. She captured liberals, moderates, and conservatives. She took a majority in every income bracket.

Older voters and white women — part of Clinton’s core constituency — also rallied strongly to her beleaguered campaign. Voters age 65 and older supported her by a 38-point margin. White women backed her by 51 points.

Yeah, campaigning might make a difference, but to turn a blind eye to the real problems of a BHO presidential race again McShame (I really liked that one) seems incredibly politically naive.

By: Al Mascitti

Al Mascitti — Wed, 14 May 2008 16:22:29 +0000

Do you want to see the poll numbers from six months ago so you can judge how they stack up to today’s? Do you really think six months of campaigning isn’t going to change any of those numbers? Do you really think McCain is a strong enough campaigner with popular enough positions to move those numbers in his direction?

The whole anti-Obama argument boils down to “white people won’t vote for him.” If that is in fact the case, oh well. I hate to sound like Ralph Nader, because I’m sure Hillary would be a lot more to my liking than McCain, but in a McCain-Clinton race, both sides are already bought and paid for by corporate interests. Please don’t come back with Obama’s corporate donations; of course he has them, but we don’t know if he’ll cater to them — whereas with the Clintons we have a track record, and they surely will. I, like other Obama supporters, prefer the devil we don’t know.

By: annon2

annon2 — Wed, 14 May 2008 15:58:58 +0000

Little busy yesterday and couldn’t post. VC, you are right, I had wrong numbers for VA. However, they have voted R 14 straight presidential elections and let’s not forget your errors with WA, OR, and MO. Nevertheless, today’s electoral college map http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May14.html has McCain easily beating BHO 290 to 237 with 11 states in play. I would add that figure actually gives BHO PA, where he has taken a slight polling lead (of bigger concern might be the numbers coming out of California showing an erosion of support for BHO and Florida showing the state going red.) ironically, this website (known for combining multiple polls and accurately predicting outcomes.) shows just how difficult this is going to be for BHO. Let me add, the same polling site has Clinton over McCain 280 to 241 because, well, like I keep saying, she takes Ohio (solid blue), PA (solid blue and Fla (med blue) Ironically, with Clinton there are more states in play, 17 to be exact. I find that surprising and against what most pundits say. And in fact, the same states in play for BHO are in play for HRC.

By: Von Cracker

Von Cracker — Tue, 13 May 2008 04:26:23 +0000

You can look at my comments back in late ‘07 and see that I was not a HRC basher. It only was when she resorted to the same tactics used against her spouse, fellow liberals, or anyone who wasn’t a fall-in-line republican, did I turn on Hillary. That, and playing the sexism card.

She became ‘them’ to compensate for her shitty, campaign and tried every played-out political ploy used by conservatives over the past 35 years.

ps – Thanks, P!

By: kavips

kavips — Tue, 13 May 2008 02:32:12 +0000

My take on this thread it that when speaking of Hillary, there is no “love”. It is as if she were a toothpaste on a Wal*mart shelf. This one is better than that because……..

And in fairness, I’m picking up this vibe from both sides: Hillary’s and Obama’s.

When Obama becomes a topic of conversation, it becomes emotional, either pro or con….Unlike Hillary, he hits nerves….

Bottom line, if the “Presidency” is to mean anything, Americans will need to feel an emotional attachment to either the man or women they put up as their representative of what America should be…..

(I guess if I was to be totally honest (not a chance that would ever happen) I would say that once, I did have an emotional attachment to Hillary, but as things progressed, her value declined, and that of Obama rose.)

By: truth teller

truth teller — Mon, 12 May 2008 22:50:52 +0000

He may need her to protect his flank

By: cassandra m

cassandra m — Mon, 12 May 2008 22:31:19 +0000

She has a valid argument for being President and a core constitency that gets mocked by Obamanites as if they are the end all, know all.

1. All who ran have a valid argument — only two now earned the delegates to compete in the general.

2. And that mocking thing? Welcome to Deaniac Central, circa Feb 2004.

By: Pandora

Pandora — Mon, 12 May 2008 22:12:40 +0000

VC, you are a god!

By: Von Cracker

Von Cracker — Mon, 12 May 2008 21:55:34 +0000

Some More:

PA-Pres:

May 1 Quinnipiac Obama (D) 47%, McCain (R) 38%

OR:

Pollster Date Barack Obama John McCain
Rasmussen Reports 3/27/08 48.0 42.0

Pollster Date Hillary Clinton John McCain
Rasmussen Reports 3/27/08 40.0 46.0

Well I guess Oregon doesn’t count!

NV:

Pollster Date Barack Obama John McCain
Survey USA 3/6/08 46.0 41.0

Pollster Date Hillary Clinton John McCain
Survey USA 3/6/08 41.0 49.0

Oh well, Nevada. Go back to Meh-He-Co!

WI:

Pollster Date Barack Obama John McCain
Wisconsin Public Radio / St. Norbert College 4/5/08 46.0 42.0

llster Date Hillary Clinton John McCain
Wisconsin Public Radio / St. Norbert College 4/5/08 42.0 46.0

F-YOU WI!!! Your cheese blows curds!

CO:

Pollster Date Barack Obama John McCain
Survey USA 3/6/08 50.0 41.0
Rasmussen Reports 4/18/08 46.0 43.0

Pollster Date Hillary Clinton John McCain
Survey USA 3/6/08 42.0 48.0
Rasmussen Reports 4/18/08 36.0 50.0

Denver’s not a REAL city, BTW!

NH:

Pollster Date Barack Obama John McCain
Survey USA 3/6/08 46.0 44.0
Rasmussen Reports 2/11/08 49.0 36.0

Pollster Date Hillary Clinton John McCain
Survey USA 3/6/08 41.0 49.0
Rasmussen Reports 2/11/08 43.0 41.0

Small States suck DV’s balls and they don’t matter!!

TX, you may ask?

Pollster Date Barack Obama John McCain
Survey USA 3/6/08 46.0 47.0

Holy fuck!

Pollster Date Hillary Clinton John McCain
Survey USA 3/6/08 42.0 49.0

Ahem….

Point being, elections are never won in the spring, but they can be lost!

HRC’s negatives never would have allowed her to compete, let alone win, in some of these traditional red states, whereas Obama has been proven to do well in GOP strongholds.

Poor, uneducated whites (HRC’s Base) will come to the dark-side, even if Obama’s an Elitist, Uppity Neeegrow.

By: Von Cracker

Von Cracker — Mon, 12 May 2008 21:29:50 +0000

Where do you get 20% in VA?

It’s within the margin of error….talk about facts and stuff?!?!?

VA-Pres:
May 12 Rasmussen McCain (R) 47%, Obama (D) 44%

NC-Pres:

May 12 PPP (D)McCain (R) 49%, Obama (D) 42%

May 12 PPP (D)McCain (R) 46%, Clinton (D) 38%

May 12 Rasmussen McCain (R) 48%, Obama (D) 45%

FL-Pres:

May 1 Quinnipiac McCain (R) 44%, Obama (D) 43%

OH-Pres:

May 1 Quinnipiac McCain (R) 43%, Obama (D) 42%

So get YOUR ‘facts’ in order before being so pompously dismissive…

http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/03/06/electoral-math-as-of-030608-obama-280-mccain-258/

And in most places Obama’s campaigned – his approvals shot up, while the opponents dropped like a rock….so I’m not too worried about OH, PA, and FL, especially after 4 months or so of McCain v Obama, head-to-head.

It’sa gonna be a blowout….

And you never defined ELITISM for me….What does that word mean to you? Rich? Born into affluence? Yeah, that’s sooooo Obama!